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Do you have another source? How do you know that in Portugal these security personnel don't have these powers?
Police brutality backfires!
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Do you have another source? How do you know that in Portugal these security personnel don't have these powers?
When the first clip was released on youtube, there were portuguese people replying in numbers trying to defend the image of their police force. Apparently these private security forces have a habit of overreacting and got in trouble for acting as law enforcement officers.
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Wow. Nice counter there.
Sure. Sign up to the police or a control and restraint course.
It is VERY difficult to cuff someone that doesn't want to be cuffed. Competence has nothing to do with it, practice, however, does. But they're security - not police, so who knows what training they have had.
That guy obviously didn't offer his arms without resistance, or again it is poor training. You can't tell as he's surrounded by guys. Only one arm as it's the way cuffs work. Go to some grappling martial art club - and they'll tell you to relax or you'll get injured. Same applies with being cuffed.
How is it obvious if you have to look carefully?
You're right in that the crowd acted in a despicable way, but the guy smashing the prostrate fan brought it on them. The bald guy didn't deserve the kicking he got, but the fault for it is with the guy with the baton.
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Firstly, the Portugese police are more paramilitary than police officers as we know them and that is the difference betwen them and us.
Secondly, no use force looks good when seen in person or on camera.
The take down and pinning of the subject was ok to me but the use of the baton was not. There is no need to use a baton on a subject that is on the ground when pinned down like that. Other pain compliance techniques are available if needed.
I don't wish to sound arrogant but there are a lot of naive people on here who think that it is easy to restrain and handcuff a subject one on one. It is extremely difficult.
When I was at training school, almost all takedown and cuffing techniques were based on the compliance of the subject which is more often than not the case. Any Home Office approved takedown etc goes out of the window when you are rolling about with someone on the deck and it will always look messy but police have to lay hands on sometimes and there will always be a sector of the public who will whinge at that for the sake of it but the force used must be justified and also proportionate but what is proportionate in Portugal will not be viewed as such here.
A person should never be judged by their size and even for a subject to passively resist arrest and simply not comply with being handcuffed and stiffening their arms can cause a raft of peroblems in getting them restrained.
An example I give is about 18 months ago I was tasked to take a sectioned male from police custody to an appropriate hospital ward as the man clearly had mental health problems. He kept calling me an agent of George Bush all the way. My colleague at the time was and still is about 19 stones and a big lad. The fella in the back was about 9-10 stones tops and slightly built.
We got to the ward and were met by hospital security. We took him into a padded room and there was me, my colleague and 3 security guards. He was fine until the nurse said .... just a quick injection to calm you down.
The man went beserk and I mean that in every sense. It took me, 14 1/2 stones, my colleague, 19 stones and another 3 security staff to keep him restrained and his resistance and strength was unbelievable.
I had the task of whipping his kex down a tad and after an injection of whatever, he was fine within a minute but anyone watching and not connected with the incident would likely have been disturbed at the force we used but in the end it was justified.
My view anyway.
Secondly, no use force looks good when seen in person or on camera.
The take down and pinning of the subject was ok to me but the use of the baton was not. There is no need to use a baton on a subject that is on the ground when pinned down like that. Other pain compliance techniques are available if needed.
I don't wish to sound arrogant but there are a lot of naive people on here who think that it is easy to restrain and handcuff a subject one on one. It is extremely difficult.
When I was at training school, almost all takedown and cuffing techniques were based on the compliance of the subject which is more often than not the case. Any Home Office approved takedown etc goes out of the window when you are rolling about with someone on the deck and it will always look messy but police have to lay hands on sometimes and there will always be a sector of the public who will whinge at that for the sake of it but the force used must be justified and also proportionate but what is proportionate in Portugal will not be viewed as such here.
A person should never be judged by their size and even for a subject to passively resist arrest and simply not comply with being handcuffed and stiffening their arms can cause a raft of peroblems in getting them restrained.
An example I give is about 18 months ago I was tasked to take a sectioned male from police custody to an appropriate hospital ward as the man clearly had mental health problems. He kept calling me an agent of George Bush all the way. My colleague at the time was and still is about 19 stones and a big lad. The fella in the back was about 9-10 stones tops and slightly built.
We got to the ward and were met by hospital security. We took him into a padded room and there was me, my colleague and 3 security guards. He was fine until the nurse said .... just a quick injection to calm you down.
The man went beserk and I mean that in every sense. It took me, 14 1/2 stones, my colleague, 19 stones and another 3 security staff to keep him restrained and his resistance and strength was unbelievable.
I had the task of whipping his kex down a tad and after an injection of whatever, he was fine within a minute but anyone watching and not connected with the incident would likely have been disturbed at the force we used but in the end it was justified.
My view anyway.
Duuuuuh - Firemen risk their lives everyday. By your logic, is it up to them how much of the fire they put out?
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cops = pwnd, the police rules are fail, they were totally out of order
VS I value your input because you're a professional and you know what you're talking about. I am glad to see that you do not condone the use of the baton, which served absolutely no purpose whatsoever as far as I could see, except to inflict gratuitous pain.
Indeed. Most of the people's opinions are going based on assumptions. It would seem that the police may have used excessive force, but the response from the crowd was not proportional.
As far as I'm concerned there's no 'right' side here. And anyone making a definitive judgement needs to look at why they're doing that.
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were the police not armed?
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No different to 4 cowards beating 1 man with a baton while sitting on him.
I think the guy who got his head savagely beaten with a baton would probably take the view that they were armed, yes.
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guns
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no. Pretty much only usa and ni that have gunz all the time i think
Australian cops also carry sidearms. Everyone uses Glocks except the South Australian and Victorian police, who use Smith & Wesson .357s.
lolololol stoopid pigs amirite?!!?!?!?
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Same here, thought it odd but watched it for a chuckle (and the first ad overlay was something about Lesbian lovers..)!