We're the sane ones who aren't threatening to wipe another country off the map with it in the name of Allah.
That's a pretty damn good qualification.
Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites
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We're the sane ones who aren't threatening to wipe another country off the map with it in the name of Allah.
That's a pretty damn good qualification.
There's still time for dialog and if they attack now it will set back their nuclear program, but it will also create another generation of terrorist. Iranian youth are nothing like the older generation, they are far more tolerant than the hardliners that rule the country, Iran wont be the same hardline religious county in 20 years, it will be more tolerant, but if Israel attack it will be far worse than it is now.
Yet were invading 2 countries in the name of democracy? Or should that be control of oil resources.
No isreal will play the "woop your ass with superior fire power" card it took them 6 days to wipe out all of their attackers the last time they where attacked.
Iran wouldn't dare attack them or it would probably be the 6 hour war this time.
Really? I'd love to know where all these oil resources in Afghanistan are.
http://www.crescentlife.com/heal the world/afghanistan_and_oil.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/oil.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm (old but still relevant)
http://www.newhumanist.com/oil.html
The gist, UNOCAL want to pump oil through Afghanistan, if there is a regime that "doesn't accept" it, they get replaced. And such has happened.
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That's a pipeline, where are the resources you mentioned?
That was a miss quote, hence the edit.
Exactly, but shush, we shouldn't know that, they are evil tryants!
I disagree there. Iran WILL retaliate in some form, and when they do Israel will pull out the victim card, similar (but not the same) to the gaza attacks (forgetting of course about all the dead palastinians in gaza)...
TBH that is a resource, what is the point in oil if you can't get it or it is too expensive to transport? (not that I think afghanistan was necessarily about oil)
I doubt they will in any militaristic way as they know they'd get their asses handed to them on a platter.
without nukes they have no way of doing any real damage to Israel without risking counter attacks destroying their very expensive air force.
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Teki in his usual manner is making a couple of small almost valid points hidden without his usual way of presenting things as conspiracys or as bad.
He asks, what makes our idea's better than theirs, well I ask you what makes it worse. You instantly and by nature assume everything we do is wrong and evil with ulterior motive and only the latter is true. No one, no matter the public face/reason given out, does anything in these situations without the possibility to gain something, thats simply life and the cost of how the world gets things done a favour for a favour.
THe thing Teki should be doing is googling for speaches made by Obama to a prominate group of jewish people in america and reading the legislation that Obama passed in the house(pre president) declaring Iran's national army a terrorist threat, and listing what a massive threat they are that need to be dealt with. His public/campaign message was hardline negotiations and sanctions/blockades though he always fails to mention negotiations have been tried for years with the best minds in the world and have all failed miserably, and that incredibly heavy sanctions have been imposed for many years with HUGE sums of money in US and other world banks frozen in accounts owned by people who live/work/run business in Iran. He has given the distinct impression he is fully willing to back a move against Iran once all the other options fail but in the public eye at least keeps going on about the "other options" while consistantly forgetting to mention basically every single last option that could be tried, has been tried, by many MANY nations in the world. Not just a bush who can't do anything as the democratic party try to portray, but many world leaders and skilled diplomatic teams have gotten nowhere with Iran's leadership.
It IS most certainly bad that they move towards nuclear weapons and EVERYTHING should be done to prevent them getting said weapons, you can have your own opinion on the matter but you're quite simply wrong. They have dangerous leaders and a MASSIVE power base who are very intent on doing harm, eventually. They have a huge and very very well equipped army, invading Iraq is a walk in the park compared to the military Iran have, ultra funded, ultra armed, massive numbers army compared to a ramshackle army in Iraq that fell apart as their leaders went into hiding.
Their bark is not worse than their bite, their bark is very very quiet of late compared to their bite.
In Obama's own words, Iran is the single biggest threat to the world, (no I won't find the same speach... Evangellion(cos I know it will be you) I can't be bothered, neither will you concede the point if I did) his speaches to the pro israel group in america is disturbing to say the least, and he's given similar speaches for several years in a row.
ANyway, the point is that if Israel can only move with the support of the USA, they have it, Obama is insanely pro Israel. Frankly I couldn't care less, my problems with Obama aren't his views and idea's, its the BS campaign image he puts across which in every real piece of legislation and speech i've read for many years back he's simply not that person who pretended to get elected. He's ultra left wing, which isn't my thing, but he's very much against Iran and them trying to get any real power.
He asks, what makes our idea's better than theirs, well I ask you what makes it worse. You instantly and by nature assume everything we do is wrong and evil with ulterior motive and only the latter is true. No one, no matter the public face/reason given out, does anything in these situations without the possibility to gain something, thats simply life and the cost of how the world gets things done a favour for a favour.
THe thing Teki should be doing is googling for speaches made by Obama to a prominate group of jewish people in america and reading the legislation that Obama passed in the house(pre president) declaring Iran's national army a terrorist threat, and listing what a massive threat they are that need to be dealt with. His public/campaign message was hardline negotiations and sanctions/blockades though he always fails to mention negotiations have been tried for years with the best minds in the world and have all failed miserably, and that incredibly heavy sanctions have been imposed for many years with HUGE sums of money in US and other world banks frozen in accounts owned by people who live/work/run business in Iran. He has given the distinct impression he is fully willing to back a move against Iran once all the other options fail but in the public eye at least keeps going on about the "other options" while consistantly forgetting to mention basically every single last option that could be tried, has been tried, by many MANY nations in the world. Not just a bush who can't do anything as the democratic party try to portray, but many world leaders and skilled diplomatic teams have gotten nowhere with Iran's leadership.
It IS most certainly bad that they move towards nuclear weapons and EVERYTHING should be done to prevent them getting said weapons, you can have your own opinion on the matter but you're quite simply wrong. They have dangerous leaders and a MASSIVE power base who are very intent on doing harm, eventually. They have a huge and very very well equipped army, invading Iraq is a walk in the park compared to the military Iran have, ultra funded, ultra armed, massive numbers army compared to a ramshackle army in Iraq that fell apart as their leaders went into hiding.
Their bark is not worse than their bite, their bark is very very quiet of late compared to their bite.
In Obama's own words, Iran is the single biggest threat to the world, (no I won't find the same speach... Evangellion(cos I know it will be you) I can't be bothered, neither will you concede the point if I did) his speaches to the pro israel group in america is disturbing to say the least, and he's given similar speaches for several years in a row.
ANyway, the point is that if Israel can only move with the support of the USA, they have it, Obama is insanely pro Israel. Frankly I couldn't care less, my problems with Obama aren't his views and idea's, its the BS campaign image he puts across which in every real piece of legislation and speech i've read for many years back he's simply not that person who pretended to get elected. He's ultra left wing, which isn't my thing, but he's very much against Iran and them trying to get any real power.
Erm it may have escaped your notice but we already have nukes, allowing inspectors in wouldn't really help any there now would it? Not to mention that with the cold war decommisioning we did indeed have lots of inspectors from "the other side" crawling all over our facilities.
It was two way, we were offering to help them by doing the enrichment for them (I think it was Russia that would do the actual enrichment). They decided that, for no real valid reason, they would do their own enrichment. Why is there a need for them to do their own enrichment? Why go to the trouble of over engineering an enrichment plant when you don't need to?
Not really, the dialogue wasn't getting anywhere. I know it is more popular to just blame the US though...
I was strongly opposed to the war, and I still am. However, no nukes were involved, so what's your point?
Not "control"; "security". An attack on Iraq was good for places like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, upon whom the US rely for their oil.
Oh, and where's the oil in Afghanistan?
Is it? The only Country I can remember Israel doing anything against recently is Sudan, and then it only bombed an Iranian convoy carrying arms headed for the Hamas terrorist organisation.
What about palestine. Who in my opinion should get their own state.
it's taken on most of the middle east at once and won in the six day war.
He said Country, and there is no such Country as Palestine. As for getting their own State, the Palestinian's already have a Country, it's called Jordan.
Jordan threw them out after they tried to take it over.