Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee or Jet Li?

its funny for me, I liked bruce lee a lot, I've read loads about him, but how much is hype, he's a legend that bought a lot of money into the industry. People loved the fighting so it wouldn't be remotely surprising if the kicks heavy bag into ceiling, does x amount of exercise y is simply hype building myth. For someone on camera so much theres very little footage of hits "feats".

As for Chan, maybe you should read up on him, he's the toughest of the lot simply because he's proved it, he doesn't shy away from crazy stunts, he does the most insane stunts mostly without much protection. he jumped off a wall to a tree without ropes, fell was it 30ft, punched a whole in his brain, got a plastic cork shoved in his skull to stop the brain spilling out and got back to work(albeit after quite a while :p ) . Broke his ankle, put on a shoe coloured sock over his cast and did the same stunt landing on his broken ankle and the rest of the film and many stunts with the broken ankle.

I don't mind Jet Li but his "hollywood" films have almost all been terrible with crappy cgi effects and stupid stunts done on ropes, the style fits in with old style chinese films. Some of his old films are brilliant with lots of use of ropes, spinning moves and silly stunts but they fit the style. THe hollywood semi serious films using the same stunt style as his old completely comedy chinese films is ridiculous, but afaik he's never really put himself in danger in stunts, hasn't shown himself to be overly tough.

But like I said theres no proof Bruce Lee was anything other than a great fighter on film tbh, theres very solid proof that Chan has done crazy stunt after stunt and doesn't stop. But again toughest(which i think Chan clearly is) doesn't mean he'd win either.

THe answer is no one knows, but CHan is very very good, he's a far more skilled fighter than the majority of his films show. The kinds of things he was taught/forced/beaten till he did as a kid are what made him so tough. Getting a beating unless you can stay in a one arm handstand as a 12 year old kid for 3 hours, you can't help but end up a truly tough son of a ladydog.
 
"andy" said:
favourite chan film has got to be police story

the hanging off the back of bus by umberalla and the no safety rope/net shopping mall jump that is probably the best stunt ever
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both are good, I think my favourites, or some of them are in Who am I? , at the end he fights with some truly worldclass guys on the roof of whatever building it was, fighting right on the edge without nets landing from a throw on the ledge on the edge, the fight was amazing and just brilliantly done.
ANother film I can't remember what it was where he has to fight some champion hired by some rich enemy while Chan is some rich business guy. Actually fairly basic in terms of stunts/ridiculouslness, just some quality fighting. REally shows what incredibly speed he has, theres never a single fight in Chan films I don't think they are really fighting(well his chinese/taiwan films at least) every punch is real and hurts, theres no fake punching going on, nor the fact superhero esque fighting in lots of Jet Li's early stuff with fake fighting).

Mik3 said:
Can anyone help me remember what film this scene is from? Its a Jakie film where hes fighting in a steel works or something, hes rolling about in hot coals and getting beaten by red hot poles, I also vaguely remember him spitting fire out his mouth? It was rather old I believe.
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While I've seen most that doesn't ring a bell, though I've got a load I ripped from renting on one of several hard drives not in my current systems, can't remember which drive though :p

Been meaning to rewatch them as not seen most in years.
 
Bruce Lee Hands Down, inventor of the one inch punch, now you know where they get fei long(STREET FIGHTER) and Law(Tekken) from. Both spits of Bruce, :D:D SO bruce is the 1
 
I'm looking though my DVD's now tring to find it, I only have a few of Jackie's movies on DVD so I'll remember it when I see it, I have over a 1000 DVD's to look through though. :S I want to watch it tomorrow now.
 
drunkenmaster said:
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I agree, even though its one of your long rants, a little too long but it got the point across, Chan didn't have to do what he did, but he did and for our amazement, like many movie stars that die young they are immortalized and a bad word cannot be spoken about them.

edit I just got the link between drunkenmaster and Drunken Master
 
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Chuck Norris is so powerful he doesn't need a nomination.

If you were to nominate him, just his name would beat them all up.
 
I really hate these stupid debates, especially when there are many other Chinese martial artists/actors who I doubt not many people in the West even heard of.

But even then, seeing as the question in itself is vague, I mean win at what? (Yeah I'm just being an arse about this :p). Since it obviously mean in a fight, well it just depends on where their scenario or surroundings.

As a fighter, Bruce Lee no doubt. He spent much of his life learning and training with different martial arts to find areas which would be effective and then incorporate them into his own style and personality. Not to mention he worked to perfection to get the body that he has, even to breaking his own back in the process (If you believed what was shown in Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story, then you are a fool!).

In my personal opinion, I would say much of what you see in his few films is only just a small fraction of his skills alone. He even mentioned in some interviews on something like how on-screen TV/Film fighting is just to look cool and showing off and is nothing compared to real-life fighting. In essence, he concentrates more on the street fighting aspects and how to quickly end a fight. Had he been alive today though, it is difficult to tell how great he would be.

Jackie Chan would be the master of using anything around to his advantage. But then that is just judging by what he does in his movies. In the end though, he is just glorified dancer but still, no doubt he could take a beating as he is one hell of a stuntman and has broken enough bones in his body.

Jet Li would be quite formidable if fighting in tournament style. He has the experience to back that up. I would say he is definately the better one in terms of traditional Kung-Fu styles, especially when you go by his performances when he was young and in his many movies (Chinese ones especially, not the crappy Western/Hollywood made ones). But in a real life fight, things onbiosuly would be different so you wouldn't know. Theres no choreography.

So yeah, whilst I haven't exactly given a definate answer, this is my take on things.
 
Bruce, Li then Chan. Chan is good but Li has that slightly better speed and fighting ability.

You know Bruce would just do some Big Boss pshyco moves on all of them. Between Li and Chan, Li would be utilising his fighting and Chan would be searching for the nearest building to do a stunt from!
 
Bruce Lee.. c'mon have the other 2 even been in a street fight or anything like that? Bruce used to challenge people for fun when he was younger. On the set of Enter the Dragon he literally anhialated some punk for trying to challenege him. Ever heard of this being done to Jet li or jackie chan?
 
MookJong said:
Bruce Lee understood the ground game as well as stand up, he was doing MMA long before anyone else.
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That is so wrong. MMA competitions and fighters have existed since pretty much the dawn of human civilisation. The difference is that Bruce Lee kind of helped bought it into the mainstream in the 60s/70s, especially when you consider styles and being unorthadox in the generally traditional martial arts world.
 
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