Southampton docked 10 points...
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Uh oh.
Gilly is going to stomp on you now.
Probably. He's right though.
True however the smaller clubs work on very tight budgets and the difference between staying afloat or going under is often very small. It's pretty clear that since the change in the transfer regulations that more clubs are going under as like Hinchy says, when the cash flow got tight they'd ship a player out.
IIRC Barry Fry raised the same point in that 'Big Ron Manager' show a few years back.
Yeah he did Baz. £40'000 or so for a lower leage team is a large amount which helps with the running of the club, but to the top clubs that's just a weekly wage of an average player.
Were all managers from all the British leagues asked about the transfer window or was it just enforced one season?
Were all managers from all the British leagues asked about the transfer window or was it just enforced one season?
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How come Luton got 20 points deducted?
Also, wouldn't have been better to have points deducted at the beginning of next seasons campaign, regardless of what division there are in. It makes a mockery of the whole league.
Also, wouldn't have been better to have points deducted at the beginning of next seasons campaign, regardless of what division there are in. It makes a mockery of the whole league.
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Would seem fair to me. I'm not complaining about any points deduction as there is no argument for me to do so, but surely it should just be applied as and when you went into administration? Rather than delayed even further?
How on earth is he right?
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As already stated, no point taking points off a team who's relegated anyway!
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[ASSE]Hinchy;13946107 said:
Well it would give the football a chance. As far as I'm concerened, you can't interefer with a campaign once it's in progress. I would be like awarding a penalty 50 mins after the incident. Just doesn't work. it's not fair on all the teams that have lost points against the side in the same season...
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From the accountants, SLH's only income is from Southampton FC and the stadium
In that case, I don't see what SFC have to appeal over. They've tried to be coy about which part is insolvent and been found out
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leeds received a deduction the next season anyway. they would never have gotten those extra points taken off if the same rules were in place now. they still would have gone down and received a deduction so they were in pretty much the same boat Southampton are now.
why a club must be punished with relegation for going into administration i will never know. generally clubs struggling financially will be around the bottom of the league so the deduction relegates them, this makes it even harder for them to stay in business. potential buyers are going to be put off, there is less tv money, fewer fans through the gates. its ridiculous. southampton were going down anyway but who will want to buy them when they have little chance of going straight back up?
darlington have been deducted 10 points as well. those 10 points would have seen them in a playoff place now, potential tv money, possible wembley appearance, possibly going up a league to more fans and more tv money. it might have saved the club. now they are on the brink of going out of business. madness.
why a club must be punished with relegation for going into administration i will never know. generally clubs struggling financially will be around the bottom of the league so the deduction relegates them, this makes it even harder for them to stay in business. potential buyers are going to be put off, there is less tv money, fewer fans through the gates. its ridiculous. southampton were going down anyway but who will want to buy them when they have little chance of going straight back up?
darlington have been deducted 10 points as well. those 10 points would have seen them in a playoff place now, potential tv money, possible wembley appearance, possibly going up a league to more fans and more tv money. it might have saved the club. now they are on the brink of going out of business. madness.
They will appeal on the grounds the legally the two companies are seperate enteties regardless of what the football league say, the football league have set out on the investigation having already decided what they were going to find. The issue is that regardless of what they say about the finances been linked the two are seperate legal entities.
Also the holding company wasn't setup just incase we hit financial trouble it has been in existence for years ad has in the past run financial services, a care homes business and a radio station.
(I'm not saying we don't deserve to have the points deduction just that the FA's rule book makes no sense what so ever and they are fudging it which is wrong)
Well done for not having a clue what the debate is about, the loophole with regards going into administration after relegation is confirmed was closed years ago when Leeds tried it. This debat is about something entirely different ie Southampton FC have been docked points despite not being in administration it is SLH the holding company that is in administration do try and keep up!
Le Tiss always has been and always will be an absolute legend, a one club man loyal to the end, it's only a shame his love for the saints hampered his England career.
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maybe to southampton fans. other people might say he was a coward who gave up the chance of actually winning something at a bigger club to stay at home and be the big fish in a little pond.
personally i dont care about him as a footballer, hes embarrasses himself week in week out on sky sports. hes clueless and his crack is awful.
Oh, hardly. The debt that built up in SLH is down to the finances of Southampton FC, thus the FA's ruling is perfectly logical in this circumstance.
Otherwise every club would do this to avoid the points fine for administration. Surely it makes sense to crack down on it.
Or an alternative view is that it reduces the price of the club to any buyer willing to suffer a year of rebuilding before coming back stronger the following season.
its a shame southampton going down, i would rather see them in the premier league then the likes of stoke. but we could be joining you and charlton, and leeds soon!
its even more stupid if they take -10 off next season when you went into administration this season, why should it affect next?
its even more stupid if they take -10 off next season when you went into administration this season, why should it affect next?
The FA's rule book states that the club must enter administration, the club (a legally seperate entity from SLH) has not entered administration.
Whether or not the FA thinks the two are intrinsically linked should not matter the real law says they are seperate entities. The FA have fudged the rules as they do quite regularly, if they wanted to cover this situation they should stipulate that holding companies who don't make X% of there income from non football business going into administration also triggers a points deduction.
I have said that morally we definately deserve the points deduction and I have no problem with it comming off at the start of next season as it makes sense. I do however have a problem with the FA making up rules as they go along and continuously looking like an ass. What other body would let a party with a massive conflict of interest sit on a panel making an important decision (Norwich Board member)?
Anyway as a saints fan I hope we've now finally hit rock bottom and can start to rebuild our friendly family club, I'd rather us be comfortable and united in league 1 then anymore seasons of division, protest and politics of which we have had far too many.
Ignoring your first comment which is just a cheap jibe your spot on the Saints have been garbage this season our hom record is that of a poor club who deserve to be relegated. We have had a crazy season, we fired a respected manager who has just won promotion with leicester replaced him with an unknown Dutchman loaned out all our experienced players and started the first game of the season with 11 players who's average age was under 25, we've been shocking on the pitch but the level of abuse perpetrated by those who own the club has been infinatly more shocking we have stumbled through a season with no direction and no plan and have now paid the price with relegation and could still pay the ultimate price with the winding up of our club a distinct posibility.
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