It is a shame really as this place never used to be like that. But mention religion and the bashers are out in force to put it down and put their views across. The mods here seem to allow it as well and I remember some Christian guy here getting ridiculed for his beliefs.
Sikh police want bullet-proof turbans - Wait, What ??
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It is a shame really as this place never used to be like that. But mention religion and the bashers are out in force to put it down and put their views across. The mods here seem to allow it as well and I remember some Christian guy here getting ridiculed for his beliefs.
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Huh? What? Are you trying to make me sound like some sort of idiot? I'm 99% certain I was bang on the money with what I said in that last post, and sarcastic squealing isn't going to pull it back in your favour.
I've not called you racist, so I'll just respond to the first bit of your post. It was more targetted at your ignorance. You were obviously defending your confusion of replying about muslims in a thread about sikhs (two different religions) by saying it was laughable that people were desperate to differentiate between them when people view britain as christian (it is) when it contains christians and catholics, last time I checked, a good percentage of catholics were christians...
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Well, that's just ridiculous and not true is it lol? Just because you are repulsed by them even asking doesn't make it unlogical that they have done so.
Of course they accept this, but rather than sit on their arses and not do anything about it they're seeking a civil method to rectify the problem.
Yes, they wish to get their way, and start working in the same capacity as their peers. How sodding dare they
. Total lack of respect for the role? Again, if they thought so little of it - they'd have not even bothered.As said earlier, if they don't get it - chances are a good few of them will not request the jobs. On the basis of the Sikhs I've met in real life, I'd also imagine quite a few of them will even cut their hair.
The lack of appropriate equipment is preventing them in doing this; not their religion. For some people that is difficult to empathise, I see that too often.
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Actually you're wrong. I fully accept that societies are dynamic and need to be flexible to survive. However, I am questioning both the reasons and motivations of those who seek these changes, as I believe any citizen should do. I do not see the logic in this request, furthermore, I think to allow people who seem to be putting their religion before their duty to serve as firearms officers would not be a good idea.
Why are they terrible?
You can be as emotional as you want, it doesn't change the fact that this request defies common sense. These people are free to serve, but they should understand that their religion is not a free pass to make exceptions to the rule (especially when that rule is there for good reason). If they can't in good conscience execute their role without letting their religion get in the way then they should probably think about a career change.
Oh and by the way, we are talking about firearms officers, not IT support monkeys. You example is completely unsuitable as you role is irrelevant as it affects no one what you do. The results of this decision will potentially affect people's lives.
The notion that Britain is a Christian nation is hilarious. I bet 90% of people couldn't explain the gospel if asked.
Ah, the typical emotional arguments of a lefty with a chip on their shoulder. So, mr mind reader, what else 'repulses' me? I'll start you off: misguided and intentionally destructive emotional rambling...
There is not a requirement on the police force to honour the whims of every single religious individual to serve. The uniform is there for a reason, it is functional and religion does not come into it and I do not think it is right to request tax payers money be spent to suit people's religious requirements in such an important role.
As such, I do not think the majority of sikhs who are police officers would fall alongside the one's making this request. Any right minded individual would not want to be associated with such a foolish request.
Thanks for the cheap insult, my example is perfectly valid. The decision about what headware a firearms officer wears will effect nobody except the officer provided it is deemed suitable for the job.
nonetheless as a nation that's what we are, rather than one divided into christians and catholics, which was my point.
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I thought you didn't like things that fly in the face of common sense?*
*A noticeably ironic emotional little phrase that.
. So somebody has a different point of view to you and they have a chip on their shoulder? Run along fella.
Even stranger the fact that I'm not even left wing. But well done for the irrational pigeon-holing. Different point of view/tolerance to acceptable progression /= a 'lefty'.
However throwing personal insults because they show these qualities, does somewhat make you look like an ass.
As said, I can see this going down the route of the majority cutting their hair to get those jobs. And the few who don't want to; don't.
But my point is, the notion that they're fools by simply asking is just absurd. As is implying that as a result, their priorities need adjusting and they're showing disrespect.
Never mind any denominational differences, we are not a Christian nation. We are majoratively secular.
Why do they need to be bulletproof anyway, surely 90% of the turban isnt in contact with the persons head! And if it did get shot the impact of the bullet would knock the turban off, offending the Sikh religion and exposing ridiculous hat hear. A non bulletproof turban when shot in the same area would remain in place and the bullet would simply pass straight through, offending no-one
Incorrect, there is only perhaps 2% of my turban that is not in direct coverage of my head. You make it seem like the turban is perched on top, it's not, its worn around the head. Also it's not offensive if it would get knocked off in that situation, the showing of hair is not offensive. It's just...offensive acts...are offensive.
As for the usual ocuk response, it was a bit expected. Sikhs contribute a damn lot to this country, statistically probably more than any other racial group in this country. So think about that before you talk to us like freeloading scum.
There are no biological distinctions which separate races, none exist what so ever hence why that is wrong, culture and heritage is the main factor so yes Sikhs can be defined as a race.
yeah, those 70% of the country being christians are irrelevant
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=293
Sikh police want bullet-proof turbans
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090508/tuk-sikh-police-want-bullet-proof-turban-a7ad41d.html
So not only do they* have their very own law in the UK that wavers the legal requirement to wear a crash helmet on a motorcycle, now they* are doing this. Next thing they will want to carry AK47's
*(The word 'They' is used but not meaning to be racist or to discriminate anyone just so we are clear
But what about the rank and file sikh officers who have to wear riot gear, including helmets.... or do they issue nomex flame resistant turbans for that purpose?
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Personally I say good luck to them and bring it on 
Also, have to laugh at the usual 'righter' elements of the OcUK forum and their poor Historical and Religious education (by the way ~J~ Catholics are Christians
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Best Tighthead Prop I ever packed down with was a Sikh chap (before anybody asks he wore a patka to play in not a full (I think it's called) pagri), That scrum was unstopable and he could drink us all under the table
Also, have to laugh at the usual 'righter' elements of the OcUK forum and their poor Historical and Religious education (by the way ~J~ Catholics are Christians
).Best Tighthead Prop I ever packed down with was a Sikh chap (before anybody asks he wore a patka to play in not a full (I think it's called) pagri), That scrum was unstopable and he could drink us all under the table
So instead of changing uniforms to suit our mulitcultural country you'd sack people who are good officers on the grounds that they can't wear a uniform.
I think this is a good proposal. The officers concerned have a problem and would like a solution the police as an employer are trying to accomodate them.
I applaud them for doing so.
yeah, those 70% of the country being christians are irrelevant
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=293
What people report on surveys has very little to do with what people believe or practise.
People claim to be Jedi's on surveys for goodness' sake, it doesn't mean they believe or practise it.
We are not a Christian nation.
the figures are skewed admittedly because most people regardless of belief if they were raised in this country will say they're christian, but I reckon 50%+ still have some level of christian belief
I thought you didn't like things that fly in the face of common sense?*
*A noticeably ironic emotional little phrase that.
So somebody has a different point of view to you and they have a chip on their shoulder? Run along fella.
Even stranger the fact that I'm not even left wing. But well done for the irrational pigeon-holing. Different point of view/tolerance to acceptable progression /= a 'lefty'.
However throwing personal insults because they show these qualities, does somewhat make you look like an ass.
Well unfortunately that makes two of us then. Your idea that anyone who questions nonsensical policy request changes is obviously repulsed by a specific minority is laughably ignorant. Looks like I've got some work to do to catch you up.
I didn't say they were fools, I said it shows a lack of respect for the position. If you can't understand why changing firearm officers attire to suit religious reasons at tax payers expense is unreasonable then I really don't know how to continue this debate with you.
I guess the fire department should start to look into fire proof turbans now...