Poll: Who will you vote for next General Election
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Like in the UK even - where it is illegal to preach "hate" (whatever this will be judged to be).
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There is a difference between how you see people and actual facts. I suggest you discover facts, hopefully it'll change "how you see", and hopefully your vote
Fair enough.
I personally think those Eton boys haven't got a clue what it is like in the real world. Which is why I won't vote for them.
You makes your choice.
What about themI am using them to demonstrate that there are still posh tory boys who you say no longer exist these days.
The fact that the other parties have a few millionaires does not change this.
i was making the point that there may be just as many posh/rich members of other parties possibly voiding that argument.
Even so those rich memebers i would imagine have evolved their views to the torys of the 1700's
Well he has the same degree as our Esteemed Leader (history). Except he got his from Oxford, not Edinburgh. So you can't really argue Brown or the Lawyer Darling are Economics Masters.
What I do however know is that I have found myself agreeing with Osbourne on virtually every economic statement he has made:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6289052.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4846147.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ld-scrap-income-tax-on-interest-payments.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...tional-Insurance-rises-in-wake-of-Budget.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-pay-deals-renegotiated-under-Tory-plans.html
Not to mention the fact that he'll be working alongside one of the best business minds in parliament Ken Clarke.
I just don’t understand all this stupid OMG THEY’RE RICH HOW COULD THEY KNOW!?!? Spiel which get’s spouted. I’m glad Cameron’s bench consists of men educated at what is considered to be the best public school in the country, and yes fantastic that they are rich, they have earned it through hard work and business nouse, or even if it’s family money it’s money which will have come from sensible business decisions with an ethos instilled to them from an early age.
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Is the huge amount of pro Tory posts due to the fact that many of you are young & possibly first time voters & have grown up only knowing Labour governments ? thought so
It's all very well saying it's no good blaming Tory policies from the past & that Cameron will be different, by tradition the Tories have always been the wealthy ,the landowners, the industrialists etc & Labour was always for the working man kept in his place fighting for a living wage & better working conditions.
Times have changed but traditions live on
In my opinion the selling off state owned utilities & privatisation of just about everything by the last Thatcher Tory government has been a major downfall in the day to day living costs for the average family.
Our Gas, Electric, water, trains,buses , phonelines etc all now owned by private companies many of which are overseas so that we pay just about the highest in the EU & the profits just get bigger at the consumers expense.
It's a miracle the NHS survived but even that has privately owned catering, laundry,parking,cleaners etc & we've all seen the hidden camera stuff on TV with the cleaners skimping everything so they can get out for a fag.
Yes we were all pleased at the time to get our 100 'free shares' whilst the wealthy Tories jumped on the bandwaggon to buy blocks of thousands.
Bring back state ownership so the costs can be controlled in a fair way is the only way forward & I can't see any Tory government even considering it particularly as they would have presumably let the recent bank failures collapse completely rather than baling them out
It's all very well saying it's no good blaming Tory policies from the past & that Cameron will be different, by tradition the Tories have always been the wealthy ,the landowners, the industrialists etc & Labour was always for the working man kept in his place fighting for a living wage & better working conditions.
Times have changed but traditions live on
In my opinion the selling off state owned utilities & privatisation of just about everything by the last Thatcher Tory government has been a major downfall in the day to day living costs for the average family.
Our Gas, Electric, water, trains,buses , phonelines etc all now owned by private companies many of which are overseas so that we pay just about the highest in the EU & the profits just get bigger at the consumers expense.
It's a miracle the NHS survived but even that has privately owned catering, laundry,parking,cleaners etc & we've all seen the hidden camera stuff on TV with the cleaners skimping everything so they can get out for a fag.
Yes we were all pleased at the time to get our 100 'free shares' whilst the wealthy Tories jumped on the bandwaggon to buy blocks of thousands.
Bring back state ownership so the costs can be controlled in a fair way is the only way forward & I can't see any Tory government even considering it particularly as they would have presumably let the recent bank failures collapse completely rather than baling them out
Yeah but that's different, Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' Party... not the same as banning of socialism & nationalism or something
How anyone can think Labour is looking after the working man anymore is beyond me... The average worker feels pretty hard done by, being squeezed until the pips squeak to pay for the idle
Renationalising anything would most likely be prohibitively expensive? The problem is that the private firms haven't been regulated properly and don't get a good beating when they are obviously profiteering.
I agree that anything essential for pretty much everyone (public transport, energy etc) shouldn't have been privatised in the first place, though.
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How can you say that, labour have changed. How have they made teh "working" man better off.
Thatcher did so much good. Breaking the unions was a necessity, as was selling of the north sea gas to pay off national debt, thus improving the economy. Poll tax was a much better idea than paying per value of house much fairer. All though I don't know what the actual cost to the average person was on implementation.
The cynic in me says that they are creating a burgeoning state-dependent underclass in the hope that they will vote and keep Labour in power. The pigs can then keep their snouts firmly in the trough.
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The cynic in me says that they are creating a burgeoning state-dependent underclass in the hope that they will vote and keep Labour in power. The pigs can then keep their snouts firmly in the trough.
It's been working since the 50's, so why would they change a winning formula. This is also the reason for the massive expansion in the public sector under labour (given that they couldn't go for the nationalisation of industries again because that's been proven to be a failure).
Bring back state ownership so the costs can be controlled in a fair way is the only way forward & I can't see any Tory government even considering it particularly as they would have presumably let the recent bank failures collapse completely rather than baling them out
Do that and we'd be in an even bigger economic mire than we are now. State run monopolies are more expensive than free market businesses where competition prevents costs rising. BT is the perfect example, look at the differences of the costs of calls now compared to pre-privatisation. Despite inflation, calls on a landline are cheaper now.
And I don't think some of these banks going bust would have been that bad an idea, it would be far more important to protect the public's money that was in these banks. If they had let Northern Rock go bust, the other banks would have started to bring their books back into line. No company should be infallible.
With the public sector, I can see the Tories getting in, swinging the axe and clearing out a load of Quangos, saving a fortune, only to be attacked by the opposition as the "Nasty Party" destroying jobs
Can't win!
Well for one thing they introduced the minimum wage, which the Conservatives opposed (and I still don't think we know Cameron's view on this subject).
Which achieves very little in terms of actually improving people's buying power or improving their lives.
It's nearly as bad as the definition of poverty used by the government which makes it impossible to eliminate poverty without state controlled wages...
But has increased tax burden by massive amounts. Just his plans for the economy will cost something like 1.5k per family. I've also seen figures of 16k per person. Let alone all his other tweaks.
No point earning more, if you pay more and the money is worth less.
Cameron has already said that there needs to be shrinkage of the bloated public sector along with renegotiation of pay deals and the like. I would like to think he would follow this through if elected.
Minimum wage hasn't helped in some circumstances, especially where illegal workers are earning a pittance cash-in-hand due to firms deciding they will take the risk and not have to pay it to British workers.
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