AA & AF problem

[J.D]

I've always found with ATI cards I can still percieve the jaggies unless I turn the AA up one notch above what I use on nVidia :X

I think you've been doing something wrong then. I've been swapping between 4870 back to 8800GTX, then 4870 to GTX 280, from 2x 4870 (512mb) to GTX 295 all in this week and AA has been perfect on both ATI and Nvidia. This has been on i7 and X58, E6850 X48 and this system. 4xAA and 8xAA looks fine on close inspection on both.

This is a new problem to me. I've never heard of this complaint from Nvidia users before. I came from Nvidia with no problems and have swapped cards in my system quite a few times between the camps. I build a lot of friends systems also and I'm constantly swapping ATI to Nvidia or Nvidia to ATI and I've never heard of this from anyone.

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Uninstall drivers, run Driver Sweeper then restart. Safe mode, run Driver Sweeper again, restart. Install drivers, restart. Never had a problem in years doing this through several systems. (I'm not telling you how to do it Rroff, just mentioning what I do as I've never once experienced anything like you are talking about)

 

[Rroff]

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[Rroff]

I think you've been doing something wrong then. I've been swapping between 4870 back to 8800GTX, then 4870 to GTX 280, from 2x 4870 (512mb) to GTX 295 all in this week and AA has been perfect on both ATI and Nvidia. This has been on i7 and X58, E6850 X48 and this system. 4xAA and 8xAA looks fine on close inspection on both.

Its awhile since I tested - but back when the 4870 came out - setting 4x AA on the ATI card I would still be bothered by jaggies, whereas on the nvidia I wouldn't, to make it stop intruding on my "sub-conscious" perception I had to turn it upto 8x.

Newer drivers may fix this who knows.

I was just trying to suggest that possibly coming from nvidia - ATI's equivalent settings didn't do quite what he might have expected - and someone who appears to have an agenda against me make a big issue out of my opinion.

 

[Final8y]

Revised!

Its not the extent to what you could do but to what you do actual do.
I'm not a mass murderer i only killed 100 when i could have killed a 1000.

 

[Rroff]

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[Final8y]

Revised!

I have no problems with people saying bad things about ATI when its factual & relevant.

 

[Rroff]

I only came into this thread to try and help the OP. With a suggestion that was in no way meant to be an attack on ATI and based on my own experience.

 

[Final8y]

Its awhile since I tested - but back when the 4870 came out - setting 4x AA on the ATI card I would still be bothered by jaggies, whereas on the nvidia I wouldn't, to make it stop intruding on my "sub-conscious" perception I had to turn it upto 8x.

Newer drivers may fix this who knows.

I was just trying to suggest that possibly coming from nvidia - ATI's equivalent settings didn't do quite what he might have expected - and someone who appears to have an agenda against me make a big issue out of my opinion.

The majority do not agree with your perception.

Many people on this forum see you in the same way as i do.

 

[Rroff]

The majorty do not agree with your perstion

who cares?

or to play your own game... where is the evidence that the majority don't agree?

 

[Final8y]

who cares?

or to play your own game... where is the evidence that the majority don't agree?

My evidence has already been posted by me above.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14137381&postcount=20

 

[Rroff]

I don't see anything factual only opinions...

 

[Final8y]

I don't see anything factual only opinions...

The facts are that virtually no one has posted threads that they see the difference in AA between ATI cards & NV cards as you do on this forum.
The OP already tried MAX AA & your basically telling him that he is out of luck & that justs they way things are on ATI cards when it comes to AA & the rest of us just haven't noticed the jagged edges over the years & think it was in fact smooth.

 

[J.D]

Rroff. Fair enough that you've had this problem but you're the first I've heard this from. I've heard that AA hasn't been working before but that was due to remnants of drivers left that was causing problems. This was no AA though, not that it wasn't working as good as Nvidia.

I've never heard that ATI 4xAA is needing 8xAA to be the equivalent of 4xAA on Nvidia cards.

I'm picturing the both of you now (Final8y and Rroff). Adrenalin pumping through the veins with a tight grip on your red and green lightsabers as you look one another in the eye waiting on the next attack or to plan it.

To be serious though. I've had more ATI in my time than Nvidia but since the 8800GTX I'll take both. I've been playing with two 4870s in crossfire this week and the GTX 295 and they are both great cards. I know the 4870 X2 is better due to the memory for high resolutions but I got the rough feeling of the power. What I'm getting at is that I'd take both. *both Jedi's turn to me with an intent of destruction for my comment*

 

[Final8y]

Rroff. Fair enough that you've had this problem but you're the first I've heard this from. I've heard that AA hasn't been working before but that was due to remnants of drivers left that was causing problems. This was no AA though, not that it wasn't working as good as Nvidia.

I've never heard that ATI 4xAA is needing 8xAA to be the equivalent of 4xAA on Nvidia cards.

I'm picturing the both of you now (Final8y and Rroff). Adrenalin pumping through the veins with a tight grip on your red and green lightsabers as you look one another in the eye waiting on the next attack or to plan it.

To be serious though. I've had more ATI in my time than Nvidia but since the 8800GTX I'll take both. I've been playing with two 4870s in crossfire this week and the GTX 295 and they are both great cards. I know the 4870 X2 is better due to the memory for high resolutions but I got the rough feeling of the power. What I'm getting at is that I'd take both. *both Jedi's turn to me with an intent of destruction for my comment*

If i had a webcam you would see how calm i am.
There are far more important things to get worked up about, like having to type on a KB with the wrapper still on due to decorating & my typos are bad enough as they with out that handicap
I stopped getting worked up on forums about a year after the internet was common place.
There is always going to be people who your not going to see eye to eye with & if a person cant handle that then any public chat is not for them.

 

[Rroff]

The facts are that virtually no one has posted threads that they see the difference in AA between ATI cards & NV cards as you do on this forum.
The OP already tried MAX AA & your basically telling him that he is out of luck & that justs they way things are on ATI cards when it comes to AA & the rest of us just haven't noticed the jagged edges over the years & think it was in fact smooth.

I don't/didn't know what the OP is used to or how sensitive to jaggies... neither do I know what the AA quality is like at the moment on max settings in ATI, I suggested that it might not be what he was used to and in the past I've found a variance between what I was used to from nvidia and what I got from ATI... and I fully admit I haven't used any ATI drivers newer than 8.12 at this moment in time.

 

[J.D]

If i had a webcam you would see how calm i am.
There are far more important things to get worked up about, like having to type on a KB with the wrapper still on due to decorating & my typos are bad enough as they with out that handicap

haha I was just messing about. I seen the opportunity to lighten up the debate and took it. We're veterans and it takes a lot to ruffle our feathers on the level of what you thought I was meaning .

Pre 8800GTX I'd be with you tying Rroffs shoelaces together as you push him but since then I can't fault performances on either side. DX10.1 though I'm still truly against Nvidia for the tricks they played on the market for not being able (sorry, willing) to implement the technology (including the Vantage benchmark). Also the GTX260, 280 prices compared to the 4850 and 4870 on release for price vs performance was pretty messed up. Thanks to ATI, Nvidia changed their prices and refunded some people for this mistake. Kudos to Nvidia for doing that though. Well, not kudos because if they didn't do it they would lose sales.

That's my only rant with Nivida now. The DX10.1 fiasco for* what Nvidia done to thwart a technological advancement for all of us.

Anyway. Enough of the chat you sloth and get decorating!!!! (cracks whip) .

 

[Final8y]

I don't/didn't know what the OP is used to or how sensitive to jaggies... neither do I know what the AA quality is like at the moment on max settings in ATI, I suggested that it might not be what he was used to and in the past I've found a variance between what I was used to from nvidia and what I got from ATI... and I fully admit I haven't used any ATI drivers newer than 8.12 at this moment in time.

In not debating that there is a difference(better or worse) but in noway should it be to such an extant that 16 xAA or 24xAA on an ATI should look different enough to any NV equivalent card for someone to think the ATI just has allot more jaggy AA & if fact is just not applying it.

 

[Final8y]

haha I was just messing about. I seen the opportunity to lighten up the debate and took it. We're veterans and it takes a lot to ruffle our feathers on the level of what you thought I was meaning .

Pre 8800GTX I'd be with you tying Rroffs shoelaces together as you push him but since then I can't fault performances on either side. DX10.1 though I'm still truly against Nvidia for the tricks they played on the market for not being able (sorry, willing) to implement the technology (including the Vantage benchmark). Also the GTX260, 280 prices compared to the 4850 and 4870 on release for price vs performance was pretty messed up. Thanks to ATI, Nvidia changed their prices and refunded some people for this mistake. Kudos to Nvidia for doing that though. Well, not kudos because if they didn't do it they would lose sales.

That's my only rant with Nivida now. The DX10.1 fiasco for* what Nvidia done to thwart a technological advancement for all of us.

Anyway. Enough of the chat you sloth and get decorating!!!! (cracks whip) .

I could see the light hearted approach & i thought that i would oblige
I'm going to play more burnout instead as the GF is away.

 

[J.D]

Oh really.
what shall i use to get rid of it.. i tried Driver Sweeper beta, as the others dont seem to work with the vista 64bit. ? if i can't get this right, then i will have to get a refund and maybe get another nvidia card. i really want this card to work. i have to rma anyway, so might try the XFX one i guess.
p.s, i also getting tearing , v sync is on, but still tears. so maybe(hopfuly) it ave nvidia drivers left behind.
Cheers.

I'm not too sure of other programs as all I've used is driver sweeper. I just went to the website and it says Vista 32bit and 64bit are supported .

http://downloads.guru3d.com/Guru3D---Driver-Sweeper-(Setup)_d1655.html

Uninstall drivers, run Driver Sweeper then restart. Safe mode, run Driver Sweeper again, restart. Install drivers, restart. Never had a problem in years doing this through several systems. It's annoying with three restarts for some but I don't change drivers on every monthly release .

 

[J.D]

I could see the light hearted approach & i thought that i would oblige
I'm going to play more burnout instead as the GF is away.

hehe Good man!!.

I was playing a few games of that on my m8's GTX 295 yesterday. It ran sweet at 1920x1200 4xAA I think. Will my 4870 run that fluently also?. He used v-sync but I don't usually enable v-sync in anything. Unless it's a requirement then I don't have that option of course.