Piracy costing tens of billions of pounds

So if an artisit sells 150,000 records at 60p a time they get £90k. :eek:

Yes - if they perhaps didn't write very many/any of the songs (edit: or if they use a lot of samples in their tracks). The best way to support an artist you love is to see them live on tour. :)
 
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I'm fairly sure selling music on is illegal regardless of whether or not you keep a copy on a hard drive/copied cd etc.

I don't know why tbh, if you bought a cd, didn't like it and sold it on without making a copy then I can't see anything wrong with that.
However from the record companies point of view, that person you sold it on to should have bought it from them, making them more money and leaving you with a copy of an album you don't like.

That's actually Epic's opinion on the sale of second hand games.

Why do they assume the consumers are going to be sympathetic to their claims when they accuse loads of people for being pirates when they're not?

I find it ridiculous that Epic games actually beleives that second hand games is just as bad as piracy.

Bearing in mind though, if you read the edge of a game/bluray/CD you'll see that it says 'no lending, copying, hiring, public performance' on them, so they obviously all do beleive lending and etc is piracy or atleast no better than it.
 
[TW]Fox;14169840 said:
He is the original life and indeed soul of the party.

You could choose to have an intelligent, thought out debate, but instead stoop down to belittlement and name calling.

How mature.
 
99% of my male friends have copied games, films, music.

No-one gives a crap - Everyone will keep torrenting until it is banned or something. I know its piracy, but have yet to come across someone who is against piracy who does no have an illegal mp3 or dodgy copy of windows -A bit of a hypocrit so to speak.

No-one cares whether its breaking copyright or not and the government etc need to realise this.

I have no idea what the solution would be. Fines-if-caught would not work...I think thats been proven with speeding.

I am not saying Piracy is good or bad, but I think it is fair to say every single person on this forum has some music or a film or a game or an OS that isn't exactly legit.
 
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You could choose to have an intelligent, thought out debate, but instead stoop down to belittlement and name calling.

I've made other intelligent, thought out posts in this thread. I've been debating various areas of the law with soofa since about 2004 so do forgive me for deciding it's really not worth the bother in this thread.
 
Around seven million people in the UK are involved in illegal downloads, costing the economy tens of billions of pounds, government advisors say.

Bull. £10bn / 7m = ~£1430. You're telling my that every single person in the UK who download things illegally, has downloaded at LEAST £1000 worth of content. Yeah, right. What about those people who only download a couple of songs? I've probably downloaded about 20 quid's worth, and even then that's only temporary. Once I've heard an artist and like them, I'll usually buy the CD so I can rip it in better quality.
 
tell me this, my friend downloads albums that he just bought cause he says it's quicker than ripping them, is that illegal?

or is it illegal to download films that you already own on dvd cause it takes a long time to rip and convert them.
 
However from the record companies point of view, that person you sold it on to should have bought it from them, making them more money and leaving you with a copy of an album you don't like.

Same thing can be said about cars or any commodity, its part of business you make or produce something that can make a profit, its part of business. The record and movie companies play the piracy card too much.
 
balls is it

great way of finding new music, if I like what I hear, I'll buy all their back catalogue and rip it myself

they just need to offer a good delivery system with fair prices and no DRM, and on the same place have free content that has adverts before/after the media
 
what about VHS that I have now but are unplayable (what with not having a VHS player or the tapes being damaged)
can I download those?
 
Yes - if they perhaps didn't write very many/any of the songs. The best way to support an artist you love is to see them live on tour. :)

Apart from the small fact that artists sometimes never get paid for gigs if break even hasn't been reached after ticket printing, venue hire, travel, accommodation, catering, PRS and tour mamager's % have been paid. Small details.
 
Apart from the small fact that artists sometimes never get paid for gigs if break even hasn't been reached after ticket printing, venue hire, travel, accommodation, catering, PRS and tour mamager's % have been paid. Small details.

Very few tours lose money overall...
 
[TW]Fox;14169840 said:
It is in stoofas black and white world, where he can also be found campaigning for the public stoning of people who do 71mph on the Motorway, lecturing people who complain about being wheelclamped after spending 2 hours and 3 minutes in Asda instead of the 2 hours 'allowed' and donating money to the Traffic Wardens Benevolance Fund, piracy is THEFT!

He is the original life and indeed soul of the party.

Oh dear oh dear.
Did I annoy you a little bit?
What a shame - da big bad Fox gets upset.

But lets just do what you usually do shall we, take apart your post and tell the world all about the complete ******* you've just posted.

It is in stoofas black and white world
Not at all.
However there is no grey area with regards crime - either you did it or you didn't do it.
You aren't semi-guilty, or only a little bit wrong.
There is a law and if you break it - you're guilty.

where he can also be found campaigning for the public stoning of people who do 71mph on the Motorway
Ah, Fox does he usual "don't bother reading what people say if it looks like it might disagree with me".
I have never said anything of the sort.
What I have said time and time again is if you are going to speed and you get caught there is no point crying about it or moaning.
You speed, you break the law.
You get caught you should get punished.
I personally don't believe in an anarchy world where we can simply ignore the rules we don't like.

lecturing people who complain about being wheelclamped after spending 2 hours and 3 minutes in Asda instead of the 2 hours 'allowed'
Once again going for a "laugh" or comical post - but alas most people are aware of the rubbish you tend to spout quite often, especially when getting into a rant against somebody who DARE disagree with the big bad Fox.
In many threads I have once again said - Break the rules and you should be punished.
So if you park in pay and display, pay for 2hrs and then get a fine after 2hrs 5 minutes what exactly have you got to complain about?
Once again I agree with an organised world, if everyone parked where they like for as long as they liked it simply wouldn't work.
Maybe we should have "Fox parking zones"?

donating money to the Traffic Wardens Benevolance Fund
More ******* from you but they are just doing their job.
Do you hate anyone with a little authority?

piracy is THEFT!
Yes - it is.
You can justify piracy as much as you like.
I'm sure you can because your just brilliant and can attempt to justify absolutely anything.
But the fact is you are getting something which should cost money for nothing.
Now I know and you know I know that "technically" it isn't theft.
In the same way taking somebody's car isn't actually called "theft".
However we both know it is theft by any other name.
But of course you just pick and choose which rules you feel you should obey and moan when anybody attempts to defend them.

Guess what.
We aren't all thieving scum who think that pirates "rock" and we look around seeing what we can thieve next.
Some of us actually buy music, films and games.
I know it's hard for you to believe, but some people sdo have morals.
 
Yeah come on guys your all are not as white as snow, we all need the 2Tb drives they sell now to put what on? One guy on another forum has 9 1Tb what the hell does he put on them, raw pics of his mothers ass? I have 2 500Gb drives and they both will never be full.
 
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what about VHS that I have now but are unplayable (what with not having a VHS player or the tapes being damaged)
can I download those?

Technically speaking, yeah because they say that you don't own the media it's on, you only own the license to use the content on the media.

They change their mind to suit the situation of course though. It's like saying, I've bought a copy of windows but if I install it from a disc other than the original then it's piracy. When in fact you don't buy the media you buy the license (or the key itself) to use the software.

So personally based on my interperation of what they say, you already own the license to watch the movies you already have on VHS.
 
I don't pirate any of my music. A lot of my CDs are bought after I hear my friends listening to them on their iPod/in the car/on the stereo. They all pirate music but due to them pirating it and me hearing it, I buy it. I wouldn't have bought a few albums had my friend not pirated it.
 
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