Piracy costing tens of billions of pounds

For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
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says
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And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
 
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All of this, of course, relies on the presumption than a person who downloads a file would have otherwise purchased it – a belief that by all intents is rather far-fetched.
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They said it themselves. Their figures are completely inaccurate as they are counting every illegal download as a lost sale.

I know for a fact a lot of people download programs/games/films for the sake of it. They would have never bought it in the first place.

growse said:
How come the CPS aren't prosecuting people all over the place? Theft is, after all, a criminal offense.
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The people that have been prosecuted are mainly the people who upload a lot/provide a lot. There's no point going for the millions of downloaders, they wouldn't get anywhere and it'd cost them a fortune.
 
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DampCat said:
I find the irony of those adverts hilarious.

"YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A PURSE (bow wow a wow a bow wooooow...)"
Yes, and i'm watching this message on a DVD i've paid my hard earned cash on. GET LOST.
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That's done for a reason. The film companies know they can't stop downloaders from downloading, so it's to subliminaly remind paid consumers to keep paying.
 
v0n said:
For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
just
does
what
it
says
on
the
tin


And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
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Quoted for truth, awesomeness and posterity :)
 
make it like steam easy to buy/dl. make it cheaper than instore and alow downloads on anycomputer you log on to.

make it just as easy as piracy with a backup system and it will sell better than some crap cd for £12.
 
stoofa said:
That argument holds as much water as the "I wasn't going to buy it anyway so it's OK to steal it" one.
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actually it's like walking into an art gallery pulling out your paint brush and painting your own copy of the Mona Lisa instead of buying the official print from the gift shop.
 
v0n said:
For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
just
does
what
it
says
on
the
tin


And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
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Thanks. That's pretty awesome.

I'm copying this into a text file and i'm going to post it in these arguments on every forum i frequent pretending it's mine. You dont mind, right? ;)
 
v0n said:
For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
just
does
what
it
says
on
the
tin


And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
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Requoted for awesomeness. I do see a world, maybe 10-15 years from now, where if the RIAA and other powerful interests get there way we'll automaticaly be charged a one-off license fee from our bank account info stored on our id cards everytime we hear a song on tv, round a friends house or down the pub.

EDIT : And having to buy a special license for playing music at party and other get togethers.
 
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v0n said:
For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
just
does
what
it
says
on
the
tin


And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
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If there was a rep button I'd give you some now! +1
 
v0n said:
For every two steps forward the industry takes three steps back. For every move like itunes finally removing DRM off their files after years of petitioning there is complete refusal to provide higher bitrates or lossless formats. For every meeting where label decides to allow their artist to provide free content to their fans (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails) there is a meeting where label decides that promotional video, which should, as name suggest, promote the real content - being record or concert - is now considered commercial item that has to bring profit and so they will force all promo, official and fan videos off youtube and and order serving company to permanently replace them with "this video is not available in this country" (eg. Universal, Nine Inch Nails). For every "this game will be downloadable online" you get "but 5 days after US release and for twice the retail price". And so on, so forth.

Piracy has no restrains, no "yes but noes", no delayed release dates and no queues waiting to unlock the content. It comes standardized, properly labeled, with quality indicated in name and is served mostly in full, uncensored form. No green blood, no silencing swearwords and no edited PG13 versions. It doesn't show you adverts in the middle of the show. It doesn't play unskippable copyright notices in 17 languages followed by six minute of "if you lend this media to your neighbour you are just like mass murderer and deserve quadruple life sentence" reels and "if you didn't buy Tinky The Lollipop Bear with your Kentucky 18V Jigsaw Massacre - The Prequel go and buy it now" trailers. It comes with no DRM, no software creating impossible to delete directories on your system and no "You have to uninstall your VMWare virtual drives before you can install me" wee taking salesman cleverness. It doesn't ask for cd, it doesn't spin and whoosh every 5 minutes to verify media. It doesn't need to go online to do ef knows what before it lets you use it. It doesn't dictate how many PCs or computers you can use it on. It doesn't nag to hand over your personal details, register, attempt to set up accounts with some Gaym Spy or insist on showing popups to your "friends" online every time you play.

It
just
does
what
it
says
on
the
tin


And for that alone. I will always say. Thanks god for piracy. Without that free alternative you would be buying songs as one off ringtones and rent games from manufacturer on per hour basis. And you wouldn't dare to whistle Knock Off Nigel tune in public without forking out for broadcast.
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Listen to this man. :)
 
magick said:
That's done for a reason. The film companies know they can't stop downloaders from downloading, so it's to subliminaly remind paid consumers to keep paying.
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if you count those as subliminal, then you must count a bat to the face as a subtle hint.
 
v0n says it best.

You know you fail when your market is going else where for your trade. Just because no business offers a solution, doesnt mean there isn't one. Piracy is the solution when there are no solutions to be produced.

I dont think these businesses realise what age we are in. 1992? no sir! We have thrown our Now 104 cassettes and cds lol.

In an age where mp3 players are standard, the companies that these products are designed for STILL want - no, EXPECT us to use a cd? I dont have a cd player, what will I do with my cd? frisbee? yeah go fetch old hag.
 
codec said:
v0n says it best.

You know you fail when your market is going else where for your trade. Just because no business offers a solution, doesnt mean there isn't one. Piracy is the solution when there are no solutions to be produced.

I dont think these businesses realise what age we are in. 1992? no sir! We have thrown our Now 104 cassettes and cds lol.

In an age where mp3 players are standard, the companies that these products are designed for STILL want - no, EXPECT us to use a cd? I dont have a cd player, what will I do with my cd? frisbee? yeah go fetch old hag.
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:D


Partly agree, only reason I'd buy a cd for is for the art/lyrics bookie provided with it and to make a loseless rip off it on my pc and an mp3 for my phone and mp3 players.
The cd itself after is of no more use than a frisbee.
 
Damonic said:
There are heaps of other means to enjoy free new music from the internet at any time you want. Kind of rules out why you download illegal copies now doesn't it.

In the end it all burns down to this. You want free stuff and you want it now. TW-Fox pointed out with movies people generally watch it once yet people want to download illegal copies to burn to a disc and store for ever.

And if Blockbuster is such an effort to drive too (What a lazy society we live in today). There are websites that provide a similar service.

Plain lazyness and wanting everything for nothing is what it comes down too.

Got to laugh at the people trying to justify this.
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I don't download illegal copies of anything :confused: I just don't get on my high horse and ignore any reasoning as to why people do because I have common sense.

Not everybody wishes to drive to Blockbuster to rent a movie. That is not a bad thing and nor does it make them lazy. The internet has made it possible to access media from the comfort of your armchair (or desk) and it is in no way a terribly lazy thing to wish to take advantage of this. Just because the record/film companies are living in the stone age does not mean their customers are and that is why people are turning to piracy.

When you can pay £15 for a game on Steam and be playing it within a few minutes with playtime reaching into hundreds of hours in some cases, driving to the shop and paying £15 to watch a DVD once for two hours is just not appropriate pricing.

You can laugh at them all they want but you can know full well they will be laughing at you too. I doubt they will lose any sleep over it.
 
Tefal said:
actually it's like walking into an art gallery pulling out your paint brush and painting your own copy of the Mona Lisa instead of buying the official print from the gift shop.
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It's more like photocopying it using an as yet uninvented oil painting photocopier as that it the only way you could hope to get an exact 100% identical copy rather than an approximation.
 
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