Which card to buy,4870X2 or GTX295?

[95thrifles]

VGA is defined as 640x480, so trying to watch 1920x1080(1200) through VGA and its obviously going to be blurry, as someone said before DVI and HDMI are same quality (HDMI = DVI + audio) which are both vastly superior to VGA

 

[Clairvoyant]

Threads like this are a joke.

If money is no problem then get one of the cards and try it. If you like it keep it. If you dont send it back and get the other card.

At the end of the day you have to be happy with the card you buy.

 

[FrenchTart]

VGA is defined as 640x480, so trying to watch 1920x1080(1200) through VGA and its obviously going to be blurry, as someone said before DVI and HDMI are same quality (HDMI = DVI + audio) which are both vastly superior to VGA

The vga port (or dsub) is capable of higher resolutions. You'll find on a lot of LCD TVs that the port only supports 720p and that 1080p is supported through the HDMI/DVI connections.

 

[fornowagain]

VGA is defined as 640x480, so trying to watch 1920x1080(1200) through VGA and its obviously going to be blurry, as someone said before DVI and HDMI are same quality (HDMI = DVI + audio) which are both vastly superior to VGA

When they say VGA they really mean analogue. Analogue is quite capable as a format to reach 1920x1080, DAC bandwidth permittting. But.. A lot depends on the input ports supported resolutions or with HDTV's the panels native resoution. All being equal with an LCD, pixel mapping 1:1 and keeping the signal within the digital domain (i.e. no extra conversions to analogue and back again) should give the best results.

 

[arc@css]

I have seen this people(Kylew, 95thrifles, uv, layte) in a couple threads now, causing a ruckus.

Man, you come right out of a comic book. You're funny, I'll give you that.

 

[kylew]

I have seen this people(Kylew, 95thrifles, uv, layte) in a couple threads now, causing a ruckus.

I can see your banning ceremony being quite soon if you keep this up.

The majority is against what you're saying. You're telling us things are fact, things we know for ourselves which actually differ from your supposed fact.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing at all, but why can't you understand the concept of opinions? I've asked you that quite a few times now.

Just because you have experienced something doesn't mean that's the same experience everyone will have.

I know of some one who is scared of 'black people' because he had trouble with some one who is black. Would it then be right for him to argue that black people are all the same? Or would that be shockingly wrong?

Also, do you care to link me to these threads I'm apparently causing a ruckus in? Or is this another 'my opinion is fact' scenarios?

 

[kylew]

Mate it seems that its you that cant grasp the concept of opinion. I've had my share of ati cards and they all caused problems I didn’t expect them to. Some things that I took for granted with nvidia simply didn’t work with ati. That is my experience AND my opinion. I dont care what others say, I've already formed my opinion about nvidia and ati and nothing will change that. You on the other hand you look like you are obliged to defend ati for reasons i cannot understand. It’s just my opinion, get over it or ignore it, i’m not going to care.

Please do punctuate a bit more, it makes you look a little more intelligent.

How do you explain telling people they are wrong while making outrageous claims though?

I'm not unable to understand opinion? Really? Because what I've been saying is stop telling people your experience is the ultimate fact. Get over any bad experiences you've had with ATi because you were unable to configure the hardware properly.

I'd say the same thing to an ATi fanboy making outrageous claims about things.

The majority rule, the majority of people don't have these issues that you have. This means that these issues you've had are abnormal and most probably down to you not knowing what you're doing.

It's so simple. YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! But you're not willing to even consider that that's true.

 

[Tute]

All we need now is Mr.B and we have a full house.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Man, you come right out of a comic book. You're funny, I'll give you that.

Lol loved the enter the dragon quote not heard that in a while.

 

[uv]

I have seen this people(Kylew, 95thrifles, uv, layte) in a couple threads now, causing a ruckus.

If any of my posts seem intentionally flamebait, ruckus causing, or against the rules, feel free to RTM them so a moderator can respond.

If you'd like to link me to threads in which I'm causing a ruckus, I can edit them accordingly.. though I expect I'll be waiting in vain

 

[arc@css]

Lol loved the enter the dragon quote not heard that in a while.

Was wondering when someone would remember that, hehe. Jim Kelly said it.

That guy is either on a wind up or still doesn't get the concept of opinion.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

if the op still hasnt got a card yet, if your considering getting the 4870x2 see if you can get a non reference design card which has a higher number of power regulation phases since the reference design cards are flawed and will crash under very high loads.

 

[TheRealDeal]

if the op still hasnt got a card yet, if your considering getting the 4870x2 see if you can get a non reference design card which has a higher number of power regulation phases since the reference design cards are flawed and will crash under very high loads.

Tbh mav its just 1 program and games are really what people buy graphics cards for i would not be worried. If it started happening in games then i would say its a major problem but i don't think any game will produce this fault.

 

[mmj_uk]

Tbh mav its just 1 program and games are really what people buy graphics cards for i would not be worried. If it started happening in games then i would say its a major problem but i don't think any game will produce this fault.

Even if no current games exploit it it's still a serious hardware flaw which could rear its ugly head at some point in the future, AMD wouldn't be looking to fix it in future revisions otherwise.

They just don't want a situation where they have to do a mass recall/repair programme, it would be far too costly. Fortunately for them most 48xx owners are parroting the official line and not pushing for a more reliable card.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

so far it happens in 2 programs, furmark and also occt.

ati "fixed" the furmark issue in thier drivers by reducing furmark performance. the fault is seen again when furmark.exe is renamed into something else so that the cards dont artificially hold themselves back.

all this shows is that the cards are unstable when pushed up to thier maximum load. im sure ati have thier own inhouse testing app that put an even greater load on the gpu than furmark or occt ever can.

if i had one of these effected cards, this would be grounds for me to send it back for a full refund or a replacement to be sent to me that has better power regulation design which doesnt fail in these apps.

 

[Final8y]

Even if no current games exploit it it's still a serious hardware flaw which could rear its ugly head at some point in the future, AMD wouldn't be looking to fix it in future revisions otherwise.

They just don't want a situation where they have to do a mass recall/repair programme, it would be far too costly. Fortunately for them most 48xx owners are parroting the official line and not pushing for a more reliable card.

If you had any clue how that test works you would know that no game would ever trigger the amp power limit of the card even Crysis only draws 50A amps on avg, nowhere near the 82amp limit.

You think that enthusiast will be playing games on 48XX cards in the future that are 60-70% more demanding than Crysis & getting 15-20 fps in those future games, the card would be obsolete way before then.

Any future work by ATI on the 48XX cards is not in the case of future games but to stop any test program triggering amp limit.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

If you had any clue how that test works

seems like your not clued up on this mate. the test uses direct3d to do some simple shader and alphablending and it kills the cards.

same problem happens in opengl mode with furmark. there is only 1 reason anyone would want to defend a card that exibits these sorts of problems, fanboism.

either way you look at it its a flawed design which they knew about and whoever has one of those cards effected by the problem should be entitled to a refund or replacement.

only thing for ati to do now is put a warning sticker on the box of thier cards stating users not to run apps on the card which make the card work really hard and exceed an 82amp current pull on the gpu.

 

[Final8y]

seems like your not clued up on this mate. the test uses direct3d to do some simple shader and alphablending and it kills the cards.

same problem happens in opengl mode with furmark. there is only 1 reason anyone would want to defend a card that exibits these sorts of problems, fanboism.

either way you look at it its a flawed design which they knew about and whoever has one of those cards effected by the problem should be entitled to a refund or replacement.

only thing for ati to do now is put a warning sticker on the box of thier cards stating users not to run apps on the card which make the card work really hard and exceed an 82amp current pull on the gpu.

Im totally clued up on what it does.
And that's the point that no game will use all 800 shaders just to do shader and alpha blending there would be nothing to play.

Make better counter argument than to call people names.

Lets take it back to the thread in question & not pollute every ATI thread with 48XX in it.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Im totally clued up on what it does.
And that's the point that no game will use all 800 shaders to do shader and alpha blending.

Make better counter argument than to call people names.

if your really clued up in this then you would have seen that 2 apps have appeared that use very simple graphics rendering methods and seem to be bringing these cards to their knees.
and the point i have is that there are 2 apps already out there that cause this problem to appear.

are you saying that ati cards are only for gaming only and people with them should not be using furmark or occt?

regardless of the nature of these apps, they are nothing special in much form, they look fairly bland although could make good use as screen savers, never the less id be proper PEED off if i bought a bit of hardware that konked out running any sort of software.

 

[Final8y]

I will pull the quote from here ^^ and Reply to you in the relevant thread.