Al-Qaeda 'kills British hostage'

Vanilla_Pod · 3 Jun 2009 at 10:01

blix said:
So locking someone in a cell for 20 years must make you as bad as Joseph Fritzl right?

Well yes of course, but ONLY if our prisons conditions were as inhuman and horrific as Joseph Fritzl's cramp dungeon!!
I'm assuming you saw the pictures in the papers??
You cannot even begin to compare what those poor people had to suffer in that house of horror to that of a U.K Prison. One is humane and the other is unbelievably INhumane

Your point is also rather silly and not very well thought out!!

Herojuana · 3 Jun 2009 at 10:20

Now, this is slightly off topic, but a guy was kicked to death in a park yesterday near where I live. Apparently he was unrecognisable, a slight built guy attacked and killed by 3 asian men as he walked through the park.

I think people like this are nothing short of rabid animals that should be put down.
Where do terrorists fit on the scale then? I think it really depends on the individual case - but anyone found to be torturing or executing innocent people ought to also be hanged imo.

Kennysevenfold · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:33

If they kill, they should be killed. Simple

Glaucus · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:37

deuse said:
Its about time we had The death penalty for terrorists don't you think?

Certainly not.

but ti wouldn't help much in these situations. They aren't happening on UK soil.

we need more black ops and assassinations.

Such a shame let's hope no videos are released. Could you imagine being a family member and seeing or hearing about he video.
RIP.

Sankari · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:38

richieboy said:
Personally i don't agree. Then we are as bad as "they" are.

There is a world of difference between a state execution and an act of murder.

Glaucus · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:42

Evangelion said:
There is a world of difference between a state execution and an act of murder.

is there? that all depends on your state of view. I would classify executing an innocent even by the state under law, is still murder.

Then you have the whole once a bank robbery or whatever goes wrong and someone dies. Why leave witnesses. You might as well just kill, the lot.

Then theirs the costs. The number of trials needed would be huge, expensive and take decades to complete. Without those safety checks you could be executing anyone.

p4radox · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:46

deuse said:
Its about time we had The death penalty for terrorists don't you think?

Definitely not.

-There's the risk of killing an innocent.
-We'd stoop down to their level of barbarity.
-It's expensive legally.
-The criminal gets off lightly compared to a harsh prison sentence.

Fegruson · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:47

AcidHell2 said:
Certainly not.

but ti wouldn't help much in these situations. They aren't happening on UK soil.

we need more black ops and assassinations.

Such a shame let's hope no videos are released. Could you imagine being a family member and seeing or hearing about he video.
RIP.

It's amusing that its taken this many posts for people to recognise that it wasn't done on British soil. Bearing in mind that they may have the death penalty in North Africa.

+1 for more black ops and assassinations!

Begbie · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:57

Lysander said:
Why are you starting all your posts with 'Hi there'?

Copycatting an old member, as it gets him attention.

Sankari · 3 Jun 2009 at 11:57

AcidHell2 said:
is there? that all depends on your state of view. I would classify executing an innocent even by the state under law, is still murder.

I would call it manslaughter. But I wasn't talking about executing innocents anyway. I was talking about capital punishment in general. Would you call it murder if the executee was guilty? What about British troops killing enemy combatants overseas? Is that murder?

Then you have the whole once a bank robbery or whatever goes wrong and someone dies. Why leave witnesses. You might as well just kill, the lot.

I don't follow you. :confused:

Then theirs the costs. The number of trials needed would be huge, expensive and take decades to complete. Without those safety checks you could be executing anyone.

Not everyone spends decades on death row. If you're worried about duration, just make it simpler: increase the safety checks and reduce the number of retrials.

J86 · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:00

Chop their fingers off for murder, eZ.

LeJosh · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:04

I don't see why these barbarians should have human rights in prison, since they relinquished another of the exact same thing. (Obviously guilty until proven innocent.

) It's such a catch 22 situation.

I don't get it.

Glaucus · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:07

Evangelion said:
I would call it manslaughter. But I wasn't talking about executing innocents anyway. I was talking about capital punishment in general. Would you call it murder if the executee was guilty? What about British troops killing enemy combatants overseas? Is that murder?

Hows it manslaughter? it is premeditated. Of course soldiers are not guilty of murder. The two are not the same in any shape or form.

Evangelion said:
I don't follow you.

Once the crime turns to state excution. Why leave witnesses, at that point. you might as well tie up the lose ends and kill everyone there.

Evangelion said:
Not everyone spends decades on death row. If you're worried about duration, just make it simpler: increase the safety checks and reduce the number of retrials.

You just contradicted yourself. you can not increase safety checks and reduce retrials. It simply is not possible to do that.

NerveAgent · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:29

It worries me that so many people are so hungry for blood in this thread.

Vanilla_Pod · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:30

Also it's not just a case of not leaving witness's! On many occasions in America when a family dispute has ended in murder they have then gone on to kill loads of innocent strangers as they knew they were going to be executed anyway.

This has been admitted to detectives by the killers themselves during questioning on many occasions, most saying stuff along the lines of 'Well I knew I was gonna be executed anyway so I wanted to take as many of you ******** with me as possible' :eek:

Their is a far better argument that capital punishment actually potentially increases a society's murder rate rather than lowering it when you combine the above and the overwhelming evidence that it acts as NO deterrent what-so-ever.

Sorry but only a fool would think capital punishment has any benefit to mankind!

Ciphon · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:40

I agree with the death penalty and wish we did have it. Why should I have to pay taxes for them to sit in prison with 3 meals a day, reading books, and chatting with other prisoners.

Glaucus · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:42

Ciphon said:
I agree with the death penalty and wish we did have it. Why should I have to pay taxes for them to sit in prison with 3 meals a day, reading books, and chatting with other prisoners.

and the cost of death penalty is no better due to the re-trials that have to take place. These can not and should not be removed. it is not a cheap option.

deuse · 3 Jun 2009 at 12:58

AcidHell2 said:
and the cost of death penalty is no better due to the re-trials that have to take place. These can not and should not be removed. it is not a cheap option.

We dont need re-trials if the terrorist or terrorists are found guilty beyond reason(100%
Then take then out then shoot them at least it would be painless for them
not like when they capture people and torture them or behead them while they
are still awake for the world to see.

Also if the terrorist is lets say 25 yoa and you give him life
thats 35 years he will be in prison what do you think that costs?

Glaucus · 3 Jun 2009 at 13:02

deuse said:
We dont need re-trials if the terrorist or terrorists are found guilty beyond reason(100%
?

does that apply to every serious crime. in few cases can you prove 100% unless you catch them in the act. What a stupid statement. lets remove all safety barriers and let's just start killing people.

Sash · 3 Jun 2009 at 13:02

RIP to the person who died.