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Dup said:
There are road users out there who just dislike being overtaken, even if you can see for 10 miles either way and they are driving 20mph under the speed limit. It's these kind of people who give out the "All bikers are dangerous" rubbish.
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I have absolutely no problem being overtaken when it is safe (by a car or bike).

When I'm driving on a road with "narrow road" warning signs that twists along the side of Loch Earn and have motorbikes hurtling past me at every bend, it isn't safe. In fact I've seen a couple of accidents and a lot of very near misses in the few years I've been driving that road.

Edit : Flukester, yes, it probably is a bike hoon road - lots and lots of them there. Doesn't mean that it is an acceptable way to drive - there are loads of straight bits where they can overtake, but doing it on a twisty road is asking for trouble.
 
Wossi said:
Nearly crashed into a biker on my way home from work last night. Was going round a smallish roundabout just about to take the exit, when from out of nowhere a bike came hurtling past me, luckily I happened to be close to the curb and staying there otherwise I could have ended clipping him, would not have been pretty. The moron then opened the bike up and ended up doing at least 70mph on a 50mph road overtaking constatly. If he had crashe I would have liked to see it sa he wasn't wearing leathers, just his normal work clothes and a helmet.
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I have similar car storys I could tell everyday, almost knocked off by a car pulling out last night.. didn't even see me even though she appeared to make eye contact at close range.

Work clothes are ok on a bike, if I'm just popping into town I know I'm gonna be traveling slow and the odds of a accident are much lower I leave leathers at home. (walking about in full leathers aint fun)

A 70mph overtake on a 50 limit is not *that* bad, must admit I often do similar, then once past drop speed down to 55-60, which is same as what most people exceed limits daily
 
Well tbh i never seen anything really dangerous in the vid . And although it was a risky overtake and abit quick the car was at fault . He pulled out and clipped the rider and sent him into the path of the other car.

People do get startled when a big bike passes at speed.. i do to "if im not paying attention" . Its a bold statment but true im afraid. I drive 50k a year and consider myself a good driver but we all have lapses and when were not watching the road and mirrors when summit fast comes up from behind it can be abit of a shock . But 90% of time if you are aware you will see them comming ...move over and not get a fright as they pass .

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Persil said:
Well tbh i never seen anything really dangerous in the vid . And although it was a risky overtake and abit quick the car was at fault . He pulled out and clipped the rider and sent him into the path of the other car.
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:confused: he was doing close to a hundred. That driver is extremely unlikely to see him in a split second from so far back.
 
It's rather biased reporting to suggest "he clipped a hatchback" when the driver of said hatchback pulled out in front of him. The biker was exceeding what I would consider a safe speed for that bit of road with the prevailing traffic conditions, but the car driver almost certainly didn't check his mirrors, or only gave them a quick glance as the bike would have been visible to him as the road is dead straight and the bike was approaching near the middle of the road for a considerable distance.

Odd that the article makes no mention of the hatchback driver; it seems like there was some contributory negligence on the car drivers behalf.
 
AcidHell2 said:
:confused: he was doing close to a hundred. That driver is extremely unlikely to see him in a split second from so far back.
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Exactly right! The bike would have appeared out of nowhere.

Dogbreath said:
the bike would have been visible to him as the road is dead straight and the bike was approaching near the middle of the road for a considerable distance.
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Yes he would have seen it but only in the same way you or i would see a car/bike a few vehicles back. He then pulled out to overtake and got hit by the 'speeding' bike he wouldn't expect to be there.

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gt_junkie said:
Exactly right! The bike would have appeared out of nowhere.

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Wrong the car had plenty of time to see him . he didnt look . Bright green bike with both headlights on would have been easily visable as he was riding the white line . Im not dropping 100% of the blame on the car driver but his actions were a contribution .

Persil
 
Dogbreath said:
Sorry, that's a typical "not my fault" excuse. Nothing "appears out of nowhere", even at 100mph. All it means is the driver wasn't attentive enough to see it.
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I personally am very attentive while driving and am particularly cautious and aware of bikes.

I do however appreciate that many are driven in the manner that this guy has - it's dangerous and put simply drivers shouldn't have to look out for someone driving 'like that'! :confused:

TBH i find any defence of the biker to be a typical biker "gung-ho approach".

Anyway, i can see where this thread is heading so i'll go and find something more worthy to read.

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re watch the video, the car starts pulling out first well before the bike, also the biker is hid behind the other car before he pull sin for the biker.

His speed, stupid driving and lack of fore site is the cause of the accident.
 
I ride and Drive and can see bikers doing well over 100 come past me in the car, the guy just simply didnt check his mirrors but the rider was still an idiot for trying to overtake all those cars in one go, you always overtake the get in and see what the car in front is going to do as you learn to expect the unexpected, this guy didnt.
From just looking at the video I can see that the overtaking car is really close to the car in front, that just to me tell me he is thinking of overtaking or at least the car in front is going slower so slow down and wait!
 
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Exactly right! The bike would have appeared out of nowhere.

Yes he would have seen it but only in the same way you or i would see a car/bike a few vehicles back. He then pulled out to overtake and got hit by the 'speeding' bike he wouldn't expect to be there.

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The biker was clearly toward the middle of the road overtaking cars; if I looked in my mirrors and saw that I would be expecting the bike to be coming past me within a short space of time. It's a sad fact that far too many car drivers simply don't look, and if they do they don't see.
 
Riding at over 100mph down the middle of opposing traffic and expecting everyone to see you is pure ignorance and selfish.
 
Dogbreath said:
The biker was clearly toward the middle of the road overtaking cars; if I looked in my mirrors and saw that I would be expecting the bike to be coming past me within a short space of time. It's a sad fact that far too many car drivers simply don't look, and if they do they don't see.
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Watch the video again, he is clearly hidden by the car, untill the car pulls over to let him past. the car he hit clearly started his over taking before the bike got there.
 
Lol has anyone else noticed biker crash aside that the overtake the hatchback was going to do was dangerous aswell into oncoming traffic!
Personally seeing the big vehicles on the other side I dont think I would even overtake there on the bike nevermind in a car, certainly not at over 80.
 
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