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Were not anti car we just have a better idea of the situation because we do both .

I am NOT trying to blame the driver of the car. what im saying is he was partially to blame . Yes the biker was going abit quick (not 115+ quick ) and should have held back abit but it was not 100% his fault .

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Persil said:
Were not anti car we just have a better idea of the situation because we do both .

I am NOT trying to blame the driver of the car. what im saying is he was partially to blame . Yes the biker was going abit quick (not 115+ quick ) and should have held back abit but it was not 100% his fault .

Persil
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I agree. Not anti car at all. I don't even ride now. Just done both and feel I am at a better place to comment fairly rather than some of the "I drive a car and bikers are all hooligans" brigade.
 
Persil said:
Were not anti car we just have a better idea of the situation because we do both .
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said the other post was my last but can't resist

So do many of us. Ok maybe it's not anti car. however unlike some of you we can see that the biker would be hidden behind other cars. It is absurd to think the way you have. perhaps you are a bad bike/car driver and don't appreciate what people can and can't see as well as the speed.

Even at 30MPh that is travelling roughly 45feet per second. now consider the closing speed is way higher. Do you think someone looking in there rear view mirror should keep their eyes on it for 4 or so seconds to see them coming.
 
In that bottom left hand picture that James has posted would it be fair to say that a quick glance in the mirror might lead the veiwer to think that the car and bike were actually one object? Or is he slightly further out and therefore subject to blindspot?
 
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1 inch? Don't be spastic. Look at the video: 2:20 when we first get a clear view of the oncoming vehicle, there's a good metre or more between it and the hashed line the overtaking car isn't crossing. And the white car didn't only move over when the overtaking car starts its move, look at 2:19 when we first see it, its already well over to the left.

No denying it does happen; this isn't such a case.
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Ok maybe not an inch but its not the safest of distances to overtake with, hell I leave more room than that when I overtake on the bike!
 
I can't believe the people trying to blame the car driver for this. Surely if there was any blame whatsoever, he would have been done by the police?

This biker contributed to his own death and may well have caused the death of others.

If I stick my man bits into a crocodiles mouth and they get bitten off, are you saying I should blame the crocodile? Thats what you are saying trying to defend this bikers actions.

Darwin candidate TBH
 
Mr Jack said:
Wrong. He isn't in the other lane; he's a good foot or two our of it. No way would there be contact with oncoming traffic.

Look at the picture above. Look where the right hand edge of his car is! It's in the hatched area not in the oncoming lane.

He was driving aggressively though.
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Look at is a whole and you form a picture and read what I said. Marry this to the road act stated above and you will see the issue I outline...

1) The car being overtaken gave the car overtaking space, the drivers agression was no doubt a reason for that.
2) The car overtaking has not fully completed his move when hit so where he sits on a video at the point has little baring.
3) The chevrons are there to stop this kind of thing, as highway code above.
4) It was tight, it was risky, it was agressive, it was bad road manners.

The car (and the bike) were overtaking on a single lane road, with a chevron sectioned middle area, where there was oncoming traffic, where such a move relied on other drivers to be 100% observant and supportive. Just because a clip indicates he was not the otherside of the road does not make it a good, safe, sensible or clear move, for it wasn't. I wonder how many miles some of you have done when I see these sort of threads. I must have seen these sorts of things many times, hell I have probably pulled a few stupid moves myself, it's a fact of life. We all know, as car drivers that we sometimes make overtakes that really are not great and no matter what the PI's in this thread believe to me, based on lots of experience the car overtake was crap, the bike overtake was crap and 2 wheels don't protect you as much.

Thems the facts.
 
Bloody car driver pulled out on him IMO. Still it was foolish of him to overtake where he did - and with all that oncoming traffic too it was only ever going to end in a mess. Shame :( And they were life long friends - so so harsh to have to see your best friend die in front of you. So sad :(

Still won't stop me going out on my bike, with a loud exhaust (to be heard my muppets). And sure I overtake quick, but that's the whole point - why over take slowly?! It's more dangerous to do that.

I don't trust any car drivers and only over take when I know it's safe or when the driver has seen me.
 
Freefaller said:
Bloody car driver pulled out on him IMO. Still it was foolish of him to overtake where he did - and with all that oncoming traffic too it was only ever going to end in a mess. Shame :( And they were life long friends - so so harsh to have to see your best friend die in front of you. So sad :(

Still won't stop me going out on my bike, with a loud exhaust (to be heard my muppets). And sure I overtake quick, but that's the whole point - why over take slowly?! It's more dangerous to do that.

I don't trust any car drivers and only over take when I know it's safe or when the driver has seen me.
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Seriously?

How on earth is that the car drivers fault? He checks his mirror, checks his blindspot and see's that it's clear. The bike is going far far far too fast. Fast enough to suddenly jump into the drivers blindspot in a matter of seconds.
 
peterattheboro said:
Seriously?

How on earth is that the car drivers fault? He checks his mirror, checks his blindspot and see's that it's clear. The bike is going far far far too fast. Fast enough to suddenly jump into the drivers blindspot in a matter of seconds.
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And you know this how ? You have no idea if he checked those ..Or was on the phone or arguing with his Mrs .

Persil
 
Persil said:
Were not anti car we just have a better idea of the situation because we do both .

I am NOT trying to blame the driver of the car. what im saying is he was partially to blame . Yes the biker was going abit quick (not 115+ quick ) and should have held back abit but it was not 100% his fault .

Persil
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"A bit quick"?! He was doing 100mph! :eek:

The biker approached the hatchback from a distance, with plenty of time to change his mind, slow down and wait to overtake. Instead he decided to take a chance and paid the ultimate price for it. End of!
 
Persil said:
And you know this how ? You have no idea if he checked those ..Or was on the phone or arguing with his Mrs .

Persil
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If he was then he'd be arrested for causing death by dangerous driving, no?

Although it'd be hard to prove if he says otherwise.

Judging by the type of road it was, it'd be absolutley idiotic to attempt an overtake without checking it's safe to do so.
 
peterattheboro said:
Seriously?

How on earth is that the car drivers fault? He checks his mirror, checks his blindspot and see's that it's clear. The bike is going far far far too fast. Fast enough to suddenly jump into the drivers blindspot in a matter of seconds.
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You must have amazing eye sight as I couldn't tell from the video posted that he/she did all that. ;)

I'm not saying the bike rider is blame free - it was a stupid overtake by him too, but the car shouldn't have overtaken. Although those road markings say do not cross unless necessary - that means that if there is an obstruction or a slow convoy or an EXCEPTIONAL circumstance you can cross that line, but on such a road, doing that overtake (by the car) is foolish. The car doesn't have the power to perform a safe overtake in such a situation, not with the oncoming traffic bearing down on him.

IMO it's 50/50 - but let's face it the biker died, so he doesn't really "win" out of this does he. :(

Bikes are SO SO quick, loud and very easy to see, but they do creep up on you if you're not observant - that's one thing 9/10 car drivers are not.
 
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