Terminator salvation first reviews (OMG SPOILERS)
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Terminator Salvation first reviews (OMG SPOILERS)
You might or might not, have spoilt it for yourself
Its not that bad, Was never expecting T1/T2 and its better than T3 was by a country mile.
Yes it had holes, Yes it wasnt perfect, and frankly I think the alleged "alt ending" would have been much better but it did what it said on the tin.
I think the end was the biggest letdown, antibiotics are rare but heart transplants are ok in the desert with a first aid kit and no anti-rejection drugs.
Yes it had holes, Yes it wasnt perfect, and frankly I think the alleged "alt ending" would have been much better but it did what it said on the tin.
I think the end was the biggest letdown, antibiotics are rare but heart transplants are ok in the desert with a first aid kit and no anti-rejection drugs.
Just got back from seeing this and personally I thought it was brilliant, without doubt the best film I've seen at the cinema probably since The Dark Knight last year (and since then I've been to see Bond, Wolverine, Fast and Furious, Watchmen, The Spirit among others)
My biggest fear about this film was that with the 12A rating it would let the series down even more than Rise of the Machines but it was every bit as graphic as T1 so it ticks the action box
The only good thing T3 did was progress the story line but it did it without creating a good film as result Salvation takes the story on further and does it it in way that it really gets the series back on track
The only thing that I would have done away with in the film is the entire Marcus character as just concentrating just on a grown up John Conner would have been more than adequate as the film's main character having said that I think it would have been interesting to see Conner die at the end and the series go on without him alas I am kinda glad he did stick around as I'd like to see Bale reprise the role in the next film
Please oh please someone explain just how Kyle Reese can be Conner's farther when Conner is older than him? I know Reese went back in time in the first film to save Sarah Conner so she could give birth to John Conner without at that time knowing he was indeed Conner's father but seriously has it ever been explained just how the hell it works? Or is it something that you're really not meant to think about too much?
Overall 9/10 from me and cant wait for the Blue Ray
My biggest fear about this film was that with the 12A rating it would let the series down even more than Rise of the Machines but it was every bit as graphic as T1 so it ticks the action box
The only good thing T3 did was progress the story line but it did it without creating a good film as result Salvation takes the story on further and does it it in way that it really gets the series back on track
The only thing that I would have done away with in the film is the entire Marcus character as just concentrating just on a grown up John Conner would have been more than adequate as the film's main character having said that I think it would have been interesting to see Conner die at the end and the series go on without him alas I am kinda glad he did stick around as I'd like to see Bale reprise the role in the next film
Please oh please someone explain just how Kyle Reese can be Conner's farther when Conner is older than him? I know Reese went back in time in the first film to save Sarah Conner so she could give birth to John Conner without at that time knowing he was indeed Conner's father but seriously has it ever been explained just how the hell it works? Or is it something that you're really not meant to think about too much?
Overall 9/10 from me and cant wait for the Blue Ray
I don't get on with all of these over analytical comments... It's very very simple for me, it could have had all of the plot holes and continuity errors in the world.... But the simple fact is, I went in, watched the film and really really enjoyed it.What more is there to it, other than that? Sure I could pick out a million problems with it, but I really couldn't care less about them as I thoroughly enjoyed the film. That's what it's all about isn't it?
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Just got back from seeing this and personally I thought it was brilliant, without doubt the best film I've seen at the cinema probably since The Dark Knight last year (and since then I've been to see Bond, Wolverine, Fast and Furious, Watchmen, The Spirit among others)
My biggest fear about this film was that with the 12A rating it would let the series down even more than Rise of the Machines but it was every bit as graphic as T1 so it ticks the action box
The only good thing T3 did was progress the story line but it did it without creating a good film as result Salvation takes the story on further and does it it in way that it really gets the series back on track
The only thing that I would have done away with in the film is the entire Marcus character as just concentrating just on a grown up John Conner would have been more than adequate as the film's main character having said that I think it would have been interesting to see Conner die at the end and the series go on without him alas I am kinda glad he did stick around as I'd like to see Bale reprise the role in the next film
Please oh please someone explain just how Kyle Reese can be Conner's farther when Conner is older than him? I know Reese went back in time in the first film to save Sarah Conner so she could give birth to John Conner without at that time knowing he was indeed Conner's father but seriously has it ever been explained just how the hell it works? Or is it something that you're really not meant to think about too much?
Overall 9/10 from me and cant wait for the Blue Ray
John Connor Sent back Kyle Reese to save his mother knowing full well that Kyle Reese is his dad. its a loop system that if broken means John Connor wouldn't exist, hence the badly flawed plot of why Kyle Reese is at the top of Skynets hit list, even tho they used him as bait to get John Connor so it made Zero Sense as for them to have him at the top means they knew that he was john connors dad and therefore laws of physics say if kyle reese cant give sperm to sarah connor then theres no baby john connor. bad bad plot hole haha.
As for the rest of your opinion well im not sure how u saw this as 'pushing' the terminator story forward as what exactly happened that we didn't already know? John Connor got his heart pierced and replaced in the desert by a random dudes heart without any surgerical/transplant rejection drugs. thats the only part of the plot that can conceivably be seen as 'pushing' the story. as the rest is basicly:
Connor performs stunt
Connor fights robot.
Connor shouts
connor performs stunt
Rinse and repeat.
the only half decent part of this movie was the kyle reese character partly because a lot of people feel anton yelchin really fitted well with the role.
Comparing this to an almost flawless comic adaption like The Watchmen and saying it was better is an insult to movies created with heart and soul which is just a couple of the major points which let this movie down.
and The Spirit... dear god lad, do you not know that movie is regarded as one of the worst movies of all time its evne being mentioned in the same degree as Battlefield Earth...
Wolverine was a flop
The Fast and the Furious lacked any of the good parts of that series mainly good racing and awesome cars. instead we got 2 of the same races through some mines and computer generated 3d models on SatNav for half of the other race... i know fast and furious series isn't exactly a standard considering its popcorn but still...
Quantum of Solace wasn't really so much a sequel as more a direct continuation of Casino Royale where people were expecting another ground breaking movie like Casino Royale was where in fact we all knew that wasn't going to happen, Casino Royale was so fantastic because it was the first fresh look at the new era of the bond movies, QOS was more like Casino Royale 2 in that it was the same movie basicly just split in to two parts. i think people judged it far too harshly in that respect as i didn't expect anything more than i got.
One person above said T4 was better than Transformers 1... that was a shocker, Transformers 1 carried more blood, 10x more action, an engaging story, likeable characters and oh it wasn't riddled with bullet holes that made the plot spill all over my lap like id just dropped my drink in the dark whilst blindly stumbling to my seat in the theatre because the film was so dull not even the light of the screen lit up the area.
i really dont know why im still fighting peoples views...
Are you on crack?
I've watched T2 (awesome, the acting, of all the characters is absolutely perfect) T3 (rubbish) and T: S (very good, not as good as T2 but in a different legue to T3) so i think T:S is a definate worthy addition to the franchise, and to bag a director, whose first 2 films were charlies angles (neither of which are the worst films ever made) and hasn't made anything of significance since is well, idiotic,
oh and the CGI face was very good in my opinion, if i hadn't know i wouldn't of guessed
all in all, joint second best film of the year, with Star Trek being the best film so far, Wolverine being the worst Angels and Demons average, Watchmen joint second best
oh and the CGI face was very good in my opinion, if i hadn't know i wouldn't of guessed
all in all, joint second best film of the year, with Star Trek being the best film so far, Wolverine being the worst Angels and Demons average, Watchmen joint second best
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Nor do I
Seriously different people like different films, you make out that the Watchmen was this revolutionary epic and while that may be your opinion I personally thought it was crap.
Different people like different things live with it
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Wow your obviously one of those Christian Bale nuthuggers who seems a little peeved that his performance was completely outdone by the Marcus character. Marcus was the best part of the movie according to most film critics.
Christian Bale is overrated. I thought he was the worst thing about The Dark Knight with that unconvincing voice he put on. Different people different opinions though.
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I, like a few others, am baffled how people can refer to this film as "Brilliant". The mind boggles it really does. To then go and compare it to some decent films and say it's BETTER is appauling.
Each to their own and all that, but seriously...can't you people see it's just a mass budget Hollywood abomination disguised as a film that should have some credibility?
It failed for me as any continuation of the original films and basically didn't deliver at all.
Each to their own and all that, but seriously...can't you people see it's just a mass budget Hollywood abomination disguised as a film that should have some credibility?
It failed for me as any continuation of the original films and basically didn't deliver at all.
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i think i know how john connor feels now, im fighting against mindless robots of the hollywood budget fest. Big money, pretty lights, o0o0o0o. im tired. I know im right in the simple fact. this is the next film in the terminator series and as a big fan of the first 2 parts i know for a certain fact this film had no addition to the originals and nothing wowable. as ive argue'd over and over the reasons for this movie somebody else pops in with thier review and i go again. i could sit here all day and destroy your arguements to why this is crap with numerous points previously stated across the 10 pages, but well i honestly cant be bothered trying to stop this happening again as if any of you know, go through this thread and check out Mcg's fantastic idea for the next film, god knows how that fits into the whole story, the guys a joke.
yes its everybodys right to thier own opinion but when thier own opinion says the story was good you have to look in the mirror and think how the hell is my brain interpretating this as anything but trash.
if you think the action was good, you haven't watched good action movies, go back, get Arnie's past collections, Sylvester Stallones past collections, go get some of Jackie Chan's Drunken Master, Samo Hung's movies, Die Hard series, Aliens, the first 2 terminator movies,even the 3rd to an extent that the rest room forklift fight, the gattling gun in the cemetary, the car chase with the big lorry, were all better action scenes than this movie had.
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I watched this last night after a mate of mine said it was awful and I thought it was fantastic! I thought its one of the best films ive seen in a while at the pictures!
Cant wait for the dvd/blueray release!
Its really made me look forward (even more so) to the Terminator 3D ride in December when I go to Florida! Ohhhh yeah!!
Cant wait for the dvd/blueray release!
Its really made me look forward (even more so) to the Terminator 3D ride in December when I go to Florida! Ohhhh yeah!!
What I don't understand is why some people cannot just accept the fact the everyone has different tastes? 
Yes, a lot of people thought it was appalling, I went in to watch it and enjoyed it. How can you argue with that? 
Just because I enjoyed it doesn't mean everyone has to and vice versa. Also, people saying that if I thought it was good, I can't have seen any decent action movies... That's a ridiculous thing to say, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES IN MOVIES!!1 LIVE WITH IT!!1one
Yes, a lot of people thought it was appalling, I went in to watch it and enjoyed it. How can you argue with that? Just because I enjoyed it doesn't mean everyone has to and vice versa. Also, people saying that if I thought it was good, I can't have seen any decent action movies... That's a ridiculous thing to say, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES IN MOVIES!!1 LIVE WITH IT!!1one What I don't understand is why some people cannot just accept the fact the everyone has different tastes?
Whats the point in us all having different tastes (where taste = personal belief that what we say we enjoy we genuinely enjoy) if we cant then argue our point with each other.
Rather than saying "I liked it" say WHY you liked it, counter the arguments others have presented against it. If your reason for enjoying it is that you dont analyse films you see and just like to absorb the action, fine thats what works for you, but thats why you enjoy it.
Don't be put off by people having counter opinions to your own, argue against them, prove why what you are saying is right.
I stand by my opinion this movie was poor as a brainless action flick and a travesty as a continuation of the Terminator franchise.
Franchise?
You see that's a point that's been niggling at me for a while, you had Terminator 1 then several years later you had Terminator 2 which had the exact same story line as Terminator 1 except that this time good guy was sent back to save John Conner instead of his Mum (who was only saved in the first film so she could go ahead and drop little John)
Then came Terminator 3 which only real good point was the ending and world more or less coming to an end and setting up the premise for hopefully a completely different Terminator film next time.
So this Franchise is made up of 2 films that are more or less identical to one another, a crappy third and this new one which judging by the people who didn't enjoy it was hoping for another good guy sent back from the future to save Conner or one of his relatives thang
Of course it was a brainless action film it carried on where 1 2 and 3 all left off
Enjoyed this, was better than I hoped for. Was perhaps better for me to go in with lower expectations, then you're plesantly suprised.
Thought the CGI was excellent, incredibly detailed and seamless in parts. Not a classic, but a good action flick. Better than "3" certainly.
Thought the CGI was excellent, incredibly detailed and seamless in parts. Not a classic, but a good action flick. Better than "3" certainly.
Franchise?
You see that's a point that's been niggling at me for a while, you had Terminator 1 then several years later you had Terminator 2 which had the exact same story line as Terminator 1 except that this time good guy was sent back to save John Conner instead of his Mum (who was only saved in the first film so she could go ahead and drop little John)
Then came Terminator 3 which only real good point was the ending and world more or less coming to an end and setting up the premise for hopefully a completely different Terminator film next time.
So this Franchise is made up of 2 films that are more or less identical to one another, a crappy third and this new one which judging by the people who didn't enjoy it was hoping for another good guy sent back from the future to save Conner or one of his relatives thang
Of course it was a brainless action film it carried on where 1 2 and 3 all left off
You dont think Cameron did a brilliant job in visually imagining (and fleshing out conceptually) the whole Terminator world in T1 and T2?
I though that while T2 was sure, more of the same, the twist of replacing a human with a terminator, and in fact with the same terminator from T1 was genius. Like all good stories, it is open enough that for people who just want explosions etc, it delivers.. and tbh the CGI of the T1000 in T2 is still better than the majority of CGI you see in modern films, reduced production costs I guess. Yet for those of us who want to read a bit further in, there is loads of depth to the idea.
Perhaps your right, perhaps the use of the word franchise is not appropriate as only T1 and T2 are really worthy of the story's name.
I dont know, maybe I just look back very fondly on them as T2 was part of my childhood, but I think Camerons imagery and story telling abilities as a director shone in both films, in the first he showed he could make good films even without a budget, in the second he showed that when given a budget he was able to produce something even more spectacular.
There are a few weak points in both films, the acting can get a little ropey at times, but on the whole, everyone and everything about them sits really well with me. I still enjoy watching T1 and T2 back to back occasionally. I never feel the urge to top it off with T3 and I know for a fact I wont watch T4...
Ok ive watched this twice now (2nd time dragged by the misses!!!) and i agree with what most people are saying here really not happy! grew up watching the first 2 and loving them the 3rd one i can forgive as it wasn't terrible!
But.... come on massive nuclear war killed 90% of the world and not any radiation, no fallout i mean its only 14 years there has to be some kinnda result from massive nuclear war!!! thought it would be something like fallout 3!!
tbh i could write a list of bad things about the movie but that one main point that they missed kinda started it for me!
But.... come on massive nuclear war killed 90% of the world and not any radiation, no fallout i mean its only 14 years there has to be some kinnda result from massive nuclear war!!! thought it would be something like fallout 3!!
tbh i could write a list of bad things about the movie but that one main point that they missed kinda started it for me!
watched this the other night and thought it was average at best.
Ok we have big explosions and pyro etc, but it just seemed to lack style and atmosphere. I agree with Leon in regards to the whole nuclear war etc and the "bad things" to list. I'm usually not that fussy and take the film as it is but it was just too glaring to not mention!
Ok we have big explosions and pyro etc, but it just seemed to lack style and atmosphere. I agree with Leon in regards to the whole nuclear war etc and the "bad things" to list. I'm usually not that fussy and take the film as it is but it was just too glaring to not mention!