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Yep, you're right. I distinctly remember calling my mother dim
Why? It was extremely successful. By the time we stopped using it the family had grown up and we expected to pay for the treatment we wanted. I've have very few problems with my health since, and I attribute that at leased in part to the lack of conventional medicine we were exposed to whilst children. Virtually all conventional medicine prescribed by GPs is toxic in some way, and they do grossly over prescribe.
And I think people are kidding themselves if they think GPs can provide a silver bullet every time you go and see them with a problem. It's that lack of successful conventional treatment that prompted my mother to see the homeopath in the first place. The NHS is one of the most useless organisations on the planet, and a lot of the diagnosis/treatment is substandard, which is why I now have private medical care.
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I think people ought to remember this.
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Interesting single case study. I, on the other hand, put my faith on conventional medicine and have had all my jabs and pills that I have requried including those for regular overseas travel.
I've had three dyas off sick in my entire 33 years on this planet.
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Yep, you're right. I distinctly remember calling my mother dim
Why? It was extremely successful. By the time we stopped using it the family had grown up and we expected to pay for the treatment we wanted. I've have very few problems with my health since, and I attribute that at leased in part to the lack of conventional medicine we were exposed to whilst children. Virtually all conventional medicine prescribed by GPs is toxic in some way, and they do grossly over prescribe.
And I think people are kidding themselves if they think GPs can provide a silver bullet every time you go and see them with a problem. It's that lack of successful conventional treatment that prompted my mother to see the homeopath in the first place. The NHS is one of the most useless organisations on the planet, and a lot of the diagnosis/treatment is substandard, which is why I now have private medical care.
First up, calling conventional medicine "toxic in some way" is grossly miss-leading. I've always used conventional medicine and have never had any problems with my health whatsoever, except for the odd cold here and there, one bout of flu, and a case of food poisoning a few years back.
Going back to your earlier post in this thread, I notice you didn't mention what it was you went to a homeopath for in the first place instead of a GP? What was it that the GP was failing to fix that was cured by placebo?
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It was a bladder infection my mother was suffering from after she had her second child. It’s difficult to see how a placebo could cure a bladder infection, or the eye infection I suffered from ether.
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Regression to the mean can though. Illnesses get better, it happens every day.
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It worked, that's all I know. And she tried a number of treatments from the GP before going to the homeopath. It was a last resort.
You're right. By that measure, no treatment is best.[DOD]Asprilla;14293801 said:
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No, that's not what I said. I said that illnesses can clear up on their own with the help of your immune system. I didn't say it happens all the time.
It happens every day with infections, colds, flu and all manner of ailments. just because something was cured whilst a treament was being administered, it doesn't mean the treament worked. This is why real medicine undergoes controlled trials, to ensure that it really is the medicine that's helping and that it's helping in the way that's expected.
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It doesn't. That's the point.
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But the "real medicine" didn't work, she decided to try something different. She's not a hippy or anything, just wanted a solution to the problem, and she felt she found one.[DOD]Asprilla;14293880 said:
I've never said I categorically know it works, because I don't and nether does anyone else. And the opposite is also true. Just from my own personal experience, it's worth keeping an open mind, since I've seen it at leased superficially bring results.
Whether I'd take it again in the future is something I'm not sure of. If I found myself in my mothers situation I probably give it another go.
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And what I'm saying is that there is no proof that the homeopathy worked either.
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I know, you’re absolutely correct. But the problem did go away after taking pills, and from my memory it wasn't the only time ether. Maybe we've just been very lucky.[DOD]Asprilla;14293935 said:
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Yes, but don't you think it's a bit odd, that after 200 years of homeopathy, that there is no conclusive proof that any homeopathic treatments work? I mean, compared to all the drugs out there that have been proven, it's quite a massive difference.
I just can't see how it is logical to consider that homeopathy might possibly work, given the evidence we have, in that it goes against the laws of physics, chemistry and biology and the lack of positive trials and the inconclusiveness of so many meta-analysis of trials.
Absolute faith? No. A degree of trust? Yes.
It's much better than trusting some people who are so far gone that they can't even be bothered to sell snake oil and just sell water instead. Pharmaceutical companies are more honest and doctors get a huge wad of money from public funds, so even one who doesn't care about patients won't be "in the pockets of big pharmaceutical corporations" anywhere near as much as you think.
If I was naive, I'd trust people who claim to be able to heal me with magic (if I pay them enough) and provide no evidence that any of it works or even any halfway rational explanation.
Right after I watch Loose Change.
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I don't knock homoepathy, "natural healing" and other forms of magic healing just because western medicine doesn't endorse it. I knock them because reality doesn't endorse it.
Well bugger me, the entire theoretical basis for modern medicine is wrong. I would never have known that if you hadn't told me. So much for the germ theory of disease. Which, presumably, was made up by businesses so they could make more money selling water to the gullible...oh, wait, that's homeopaths.
Can you explain why the NHS continues to bang on about how people should eat healthily and exercise more? According to your special knowledge, they can't be doing that because the NHS is owned by companies that work ceaselessly to stop people being healthy in order to profit from selling them stuff that doesn't work (even though it's proven to work, but why let reality intrude?).