Arrested for asking a policeman his badge number

VOn,

Just want to ask your opinion on a couple of points.

Based on that video and the context, did the police act within the law and arrest those women in a manner you would have done? You personally would have done as those police did? (Sorry, I am assuming you are a cop from what others have posted?)

I am not a cop.
In my experience, however, the treatment, given set of circumstances was relatively mild. The only reason she was there was to screw around with police. There was no other purpose to her visit to the lovely power plant near Hoo in Kent. In every context I can think of, given her presence there was to be in a way and ask stupid in those circumstances questions - the treatment was mild. If they were bouncers attending to small pub brawl and she kept asking them for their union rep and taking pictures. They would punch her lights out. If they were American cops attending siege of US power plant, she would be tazered unconscious. Or shot for remaining in vicinity after verbal warning was given twice. Depending on state. If she was in France or Italy, she would be arrested and now serve first year of at least 5 year sentence for just going near that place with sole intention of distracting police forces from their job. And so on, so forth.
 
vOn,

I have to hand it to you, you do love your analogies.

Not relevant or convincing perhaps..... but you do love them. I love Cornflakes by the way.

Anyway, off to watch a movie but will have a look back later.

Will make sure my movie doesn't contain any middle aged Cornish ladies.

Way, way, way too scary for this time of night......

Would need police back up and perhaps a tac nuke to help me sleep after.





;)
 
Once again. I know it's your right to know coppers badge. But dude. Time and place. They didn't meet with the Cornish lady in the middle of may day parade. Police forces were called to attend to illegal siege of the power plant by aggressive "protesters". They weren't there to provide children with directions to toilet. They weren't there to pose to pictures with Japanese tourists. They weren't there to entertain Cornish lady with notepad with a number game. It's that simple.

It might be her right, but look - it's just like any other right - you have a right to express your religious affiliations, yet try to preach bible in the middle of NATO manouvers and I guarantee - they will be too occupied to join your paternoster and won't appreciate your blessing a bit. And this is very simple lesson too - look guys - just a reminder - ask coppers stupid questions in wrong time and place and you might be pressure pointed to ground. If anything, such lesson is applause worthy.

And the Cornish lady knows it. The reason why she can finally share her tape, to the future you tube amusement, almost year AFTER the fact, is that she is now sure she won't get prosecuted for obstruction of justice. Fact remains - they were there to do a job. And she was screwing around and distracting them.

I 100% don't disagree that she was irritating, annoying and distracting. But if I deal with an annoying person in the wrong way at work, I get fired. "I was in a difficult situation", "I was stressed" and "They were really really annoying" are no defence. There are much, much better ways of dealing with such people in such situations. I would only expect to be forced to the ground by the police either if (a) my actions warranted the use of such violence (I was being violent myself) or (b) it was for my own safety.

Police resorting to violent actions by default in a situation like this is thuggishness at best.

*edit* it occurs to me that we may be arguing conflicting points - you seem to be arguing what's expected, where as I'm (probably others) are trying to argue what's right. Is that fair? I imagine anyone could be the victim of violent action from a person who's been pushed to the brink, for a seemingly innocuous action. However, I'd argue that police, who have the option of using violence legally, should be held to much higher standards. They're not just an ordinary person in the street.
 
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Well, it's weird how one sided those reports are. If this is protests by Kingsnorth in Kent then what you have to remember is that Eon had an extended court injunction prohibiting environmental campaigners away from a power station. Knowing fully of the risk, Camp for Climate Action went ahead with their protest and surrounded the station for over a week. Entire Police force from Medway and whoever was available in Kent - total of 1400 officers from 26 forces were put on 24 hour rosters, recalled from holidays and had pre-booked days off cancelled just so they could attend to several hundred time wasters protesting their outrage at 240V flowing in their sockets and other related 21st century benefits while repeatedly trying to force their way in against court injunction with intent to cause criminal damage. Over 50 people were arrested that week for doing stupid things.

What I'm trying to say. It's not like she was walking around with her buddies, singing Jesus songs and smelling flowers, she then met group of Policemen and took interest in their badges and numbers, preparing for the evening of sudoku around the camp. Try that trick ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Seriously, try sending some sandal wearing munchkin lady from Cornwall to go around police cordon in the middle of action to remove illegal protesters storming power source and tell her to ask the forces to "identify themselves" while her buddy takes pictures. I dare you. Just try. And then we'll see in how many cases you can sob about "they pressure pointed me to the ground". It's laughable. It's trivial. The lady deserves solid beating with led filled batons just to be reminded every now and then they are Police Force, not her chaperones for summer bonfire and those seven days were not exactly book club meeting in woodstock.

And while we are at it - press should stop referring to those things as "environmental campaigns" and other farmazones like "activists boarded coal ship". Environmental terrorism isn't any more "campaign" than Basra is "fitness holiday destination". Capturing someones ship on British waters and removing crew from control is called piracy, not boarding, and is outlawed since 19th century. Everywhere. Perpetrators, in effect, should be referred to, at the very least as pirates or privateers, depending on whether they work for themselves or on behalf of larger group. At no point term "campaigners" or "protesters" applies to their activity. It would be an oxymoron. Like calling Russell Brandt "comedian". Or calling Jordan "artist and book writer"
Well said.
 
v0n said:
Well, it's weird how one sided those reports are. If this is protests by Kingsnorth in Kent then what you have to remember is that Eon had an extended court injunction prohibiting environmental campaigners away from a power station. Knowing fully of the risk, Camp for Climate Action went ahead with their protest and surrounded the station for over a week. Entire Police force from Medway and whoever was available in Kent - total of 1400 officers from 26 forces were put on 24 hour rosters, recalled from holidays and had pre-booked days off cancelled just so they could attend to several hundred time wasters protesting their outrage at 240V flowing in their sockets and other related 21st century benefits while repeatedly trying to force their way in against court injunction with intent to cause criminal damage. Over 50 people were arrested that week for doing stupid things.

And how is this relevant to the two women in question? They weren't environmental campaigners and they weren't protesting against anything. They were simply there to observe the police and take note of the way protesters were handled. That's what their group does. It's called Fit Watch.

What I'm trying to say. It's not like she was walking around with her buddies, singing Jesus songs and smelling flowers, she then met group of Policemen and took interest in their badges and numbers, preparing for the evening of sudoku around the camp. Try that trick ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Get your facts straight.

She wasn't a protester and she wasn't causing trouble. She played no part in the protests, and hadn't done anything wrong. She simply asked a policeman for his badge number (because it wasn't on display) and when he refused to give it, she asked a collegue to take a photo of the cop. In retaliation, the cop decided to rough her up and arrest her.

Thanks to the cops (who were busy filming all of this) we now know that she was roughed up for no valid reason. We also know that she and her mate were both released without charge, so the police have ended up looking like a bunch of idiots and FitWatch has won a major PR coup.
 
absoloutely disgraceful behaviour in my opinon all the coppers in that clip should be fired immediately.

context is irrelevant it was blatantly coppers on a power trip wanting to set a precedent.

that is not the type of policing i want to see on our streets at all.

They were doing nothing wrong, to be arrested, and treat in that way violently restrained when they did not seem to be trying to kick out or anything and pressure pointed for asking a copper his badge number, do me a lemon.

absoloutley disgraceful police behavior.
 
Not read the whole thread so this may have already been covered.

However, are these women ******* retarded? Pointing the Camera at the Surveillance Police, did they not think that it would cause them some trouble.

I'm fairly certain that anonymity is key to a surveillance officers job and having their pictures plastered all over the internet and other places will not only hamper their ability to do their job but also put their lives and the lives of their families at risk.
So you can imagine that their police colleagues take a dim view of this sort of action.

Further more the police officer that refused to offer his badge number did we actually see his face? I'm suspecting there was a reason for him not having (and not giving) a badge number and if blonde (or redhead at time) had stood back and thought about it for a second or two she might have realized what the guy's (possible) real job was.

The women were held for 4 days uncharged? Isn't the law 24 hours unless a court order is given? So I suspect the police had a good reason for holding the women even if charges were not brought against them.

I had a work colleague who's dad was a plain-clothed/surveillance/undercover cop and he told me that if one of the suspects (or associates) his dad was following clocked him even once, his dad would have to come off the case and it could potentially ruin months and months of work. As well as prevent him from working on any other cases in the area. So anonymity is paramount to the job they do.
 
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i didnt get arrested but i got handcuffed and took home.....for saying "why?"

now tell me the op is stupid :)

me and a mate were sitting on a wall about 200 yards away from my house, policeman jumped out of his car and just went "whats your names" i just reacted with "why" and end of story :) he came upto me cuffed me and took me home without any explanation (which was pointless as it was a 15second drive down the road), we told another officer and he said the officer who cuffed me was just having a bad day. :rolleyes:

we thought he was on drugs.
 
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Seems quite ridiculous and heavy handed, but without knowing the full story there's no point drawing a conclusion.

Although, I did wonder why the three women "watching the watchers" were dressed in all black with sunglasses and hoods up, if they're doing nothing wrong?
 
In this instance. They will be on other operations in their career. Possibly undercover or in plain cloths.

nope. As far as I understand it if your undercover you are undercover. Plain clothes is just that plain clothes. not protecting your identity.

what you are talking about is for very special operations. this is not one of them, this is just a normal "protest".
 
i didnt get arrested but i got handcuffed and took home.....for saying "why?"

now tell me the op is stupid :)

me and a mate were sitting on a wall about 200 yards away from my house, policeman jumped out of his car and just went "whats your names" i just reacted with "why" and end of story :) he came upto me cuffed me and took me home without any explanation (which was pointless as it was a 15second drive down the road), we told another officer and he said the officer who cuffed me was just having a bad day. :rolleyes:

we thought he was on drugs.

Apparently it serves you right and you got what was coming to you. And you should have been beaten with lead-filled batons.

Or something.
 
i didnt get arrested but i got handcuffed and took home.....for saying "why?"

now tell me the op is stupid :)

me and a mate were sitting on a wall about 200 yards away from my house, policeman jumped out of his car and just went "whats your names" i just reacted with "why" and end of story :) he came upto me cuffed me and took me home without any explanation (which was pointless as it was a 15second drive down the road), we told another officer and he said the officer who cuffed me was just having a bad day. :rolleyes:

we thought he was on drugs.

why didnt you just tell him your name? guilty conscience?
 
Although, I did wonder why the three women "watching the watchers" were dressed in all black with sunglasses and hoods up, if they're doing nothing wrong?

Let's think. They are opposed to the filming, amassing of private data and intimidation of protesters and have set out to hold the police accountable. Ah yes, that's it, they don't want the police amassing data on them for going about a legal activity.
 
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