Drogba and Bosingwa bans reduced

[Gustov]

Yes, and as a result both the referee and the offending players should be punished, but both should be treated on their own merit and individually.

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[guyfawkes5]

You can say my name. I won't hurt, honest. Let me make it a little bit easier for you.

Drogba's behaviour was unprofessional and I don't condone it. Regardless of this the referee had an awful game and his performance was woeful.

Well if you managed to guess who you were, then I suppose you were worth the credit I gave you.

However, the difference between your original statement and what you wrote above was the inclusion of the word 'but' and the introduction of the quality of refereeing when it previously wasn't mentioned; not quite the cut-and-dry 'regardless' you make it out to be.

But yes, 'Drogba's violin' was more ambiguously terming bemoaning Chelsea's fate in the Champions League, which to be honest doesn't really have a place in this thread given that similar incidents have happened to other big clubs before and it was met with relative professionalism, although I do understand the particular magnitude of a Champions League Final place.

 

[nikebee]

Reduction of the bans just seem to me that UEFA have no convictions in their punishments, you can't have players the calibre of Bosingwa and Drogba saying those things on a world stage like the Champions League Semi-Final and just slap them on the wrists.

In all honesty, I think both FIFA and UEFA need to wake up when it comes to "fines" and I use the term so very loosely.

£86,000 (€100,000) to a club like Chelsea is like fining me 86p.... it's absolutely ridiculous. If you're going to fine the club directly then fine them something that they will feel £1m or £5m.... even figures like that to a big European club won't make much of a dent in their bank balance, but it'll send a much better signal that UEFA/FIFA are stamping down on clubs and their actions.

Gustov the fact your bringing the "we were robbed" arguement in here for their actions is... well there's no other word for it... retarded. You're not the first team/fans to feel robbed by an official and you certainly won't be the last.

Whether it was the champions league semi final or not, these things happen week in and week out.

Both Tute and guyfawkes5 are spot on, even if the referee had a terrible game - it doesn't condone what was said and what happened. You can't set the standard to be "well we've got every right to throw our toys out of the pram, scream, kick, swear and spit at the referee... we're right after all!"

 

[nikebee]

Oh and does anybody know for sure how long the suspensions now are?

The BBC article says...

Bosingwa, 26, who had his ban reduced from three matches to two.

A suspended ban for another two games is still in place for Drogba.

Bosingwa, who was suspended for offensive comments about Norwegian referee Tom Henning Ovrebo, also has a one-match suspended ban.

But at the end goes on to say....

Ivory Coast forward Drogba, who has also been fined £15,000 by Uefa, will now miss the first three of Chelsea's Champions League games this season while Bosingwa, who was fined £10,000, will miss the first two.

So which one is it?

Does it mean...

Bonsingwa has a two match band plus a suspended one match ban (what ever the hell that means!?)??
Drogba a suspended two match ban, and a three match ban?

What the hell is a suspended ban?

 

[drunkenmaster]

all possible chelsea penalties vs barca

that should find you a very good video on you tube, you can see, without any shadow of a doubt, i mean no question whatsoever that both the shirt tug does not take him down, and that any minor contact between legs don't take him down, drogba has both feet planted as he takes steps as he runs, the only time he doesn't manage to get a safe foot down, is when he kicks one foot, with his other foot. He tripped himself, considering shirt tugging has, for a LONG time at corners and other times, become a non event in terms of penalties unless for instance that shirt tug pulled him over backwards.

most of the replays show what to me are in no way clear penalties and mostly what would be considered very very harsh penalties that are very rarely given.

In terms of Drogba tripping himself up rather than being tripped, I think I remember Hasselbaink years ago thinking he should have had a penalty(can't recall if he got it or not) because as he shot he kicked the ground a few inches behind the ball and flew into the ground. He had no idea that had happened, he just felt contact on his foot, ended up on the floor without a goal and was angry.

I have to say I also think the massive over reaction to Drogba's antics, which weren't all that bad, and I honestly can't remember what Bosingwa did wrong, so think they were a little harsh and both have suspended punishment of further longer bans for repeat misbehaviour don't they?

THe whole swearing at the camera, I mean, swearing, I'm only shocked if I can't see Rooney mouthing swear words throughout the game. Other than making a pratt of himself infront of the camera, yes he got in the ref's face, but not in the game, after, he didn't punch, or spit at the ref, he got all up in his face, but managed to wait till after the game was over. Seen players get up in ref's faces after games and no action before, just without the cry baby theatrics infront of the camera.


Ballack however doing a rather gay rubbing himself all over the ref, during the game and following him for what 30-40yards was the most "intimidating" tactic, while shouting and looking fairly violent while the ref didn't have 3 body guards.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Bonsingwa has a two match band plus a suspended one match ban (what ever the hell that means!?)??
Drogba a suspended two match ban, and a three match ban?

What the hell is a suspended ban?

IF either commits any kind of bad behaviour again, they will get a worse punishment. I think they'll actually get a ban then and these ones added on on top. So say Drogba shoves a ref, gets a 5 match ban, they'll add two more on.

For right now Bosingwa has a 2 match ban, and Drogba a 3 match ban. There will likely be some time limit like if they don't get in any more trouble in a year or two the suspended ban's will go away and any discipline problems later down the line will just have the normal bans for whatever they do.

 

[nikebee]

IF either commits any kind of bad behaviour again, they will get a worse punishment. I think they'll actually get a ban then and these ones added on on top. So say Drogba shoves a ref, gets a 5 match ban, they'll add two more on.

For right now Bosingwa has a 2 match ban, and Drogba a 3 match ban. There will likely be some time limit like if they don't get in any more trouble in a year or two the suspended ban's will go away and any discipline problems later down the line will just have the normal bans for whatever they do.

Hmm... cheers, that makes sense I guess.

I wonder if they will add the bans on to the next red card or 5 yellow cards the players receive.

 

[nikebee]

I have to say I also think the massive over reaction to Drogba's antics, which weren't all that bad, and I honestly can't remember what Bosingwa did wrong, so think they were a little harsh and both have suspended punishment of further longer bans for repeat misbehaviour don't they?

THe whole swearing at the camera, I mean, swearing, I'm only shocked if I can't see Rooney mouthing swear words throughout the game. Other than making a pratt of himself infront of the camera, yes he got in the ref's face, but not in the game, after, he didn't punch, or spit at the ref, he got all up in his face, but managed to wait till after the game was over. Seen players get up in ref's faces after games and no action before, just without the cry baby theatrics infront of the camera.

Surely there is a world of difference between Rooney and a whole host of other players doing the usual "For F's sake! What are you doing!? He tripped me!!" etc...etc... every game where most referees take it as a heat of the moment type thing and over look it. Of course Rooney does take things too far at times and gets a card and/or a fining or worse because of it... but generally he doesn't overstep the line in what's acceptable.

Drogba's "It's a ****ing disgrace!" over and over again straight down a camera lense and generally throwing his toys out of the pram is different to what we've ever seen before in a normal footy game (yes Rooney has done his nutt in with the Ref and yes he's punched a corner flag on the way out but he's never looked like he was going to harm someone).

Ballack however doing a rather gay rubbing himself all over the ref, during the game and following him for what 30-40yards was the most "intimidating" tactic, while shouting and looking fairly violent while the ref didn't have 3 body guards.

Had completely forgotten about the German... did anything happen to Ballack in the end? He got off completely free didn't he?

 

[Tummy]

Tummy is probably the most biased anti-chelsea fan you could ever meet

I can understand why tbh but it's funny at times

Yeah I admit I don't like Chelsea, but I think it's pathetic letting a team off this lightly over this.

The ref turned down some dubious penalty decisions, like he did in the first leg.
The ref sent of a player, who should not have been shown a red card for that offense.

Drogba's reaction, after he was subbed for been injured, was awful. I honestly can't understand how a 3 game ban was enough.

Eyebrows, I didn't hear the comments he made, but if he said something like that, a game ban, or a two game ban is more then enough, mangers say it every so often and get a touch line ban.

Ballack, ... pfft awful display, same as Drogba, how he escaped unpunished I don't know.

"robbed" pfft, you were out played over two legs, you had a few penalties turned down, as Barca had one turned down in the first leg, they also had a player sent off for nothing. Only criticism of the ref I have is the red card. Ref's give and don't give penalties, see it week in week out in most leagues. How do you know other referee's would have given it.

Through your blue tainted glasses you think that anytime a player goes down in the box it should be a penalty, Drogba has a history of diving, and Uefa showed the ref's video's of him diving, if he want's to get decisions and he wants to win games, maybe he shouldn't dive every time he's touched, because lets face it, he is good enough to beat players. He needs to take the chances that were put on a plate for him. Not get on his high horse how it was a disgrace that his dives weren't a penalty.

/rant.

 

[Slogan]

Chelsea getting off lightly as usual.

Seems all they have to do is apologize and everything is seen as okay. See Bosingwa on Benayoun at Anfield for reference and the meaningless (but sensibly planned) apologies that came days after this CL incident.

 

[CliffyG]

Funny how Chelsea fans seem to forget the goal that was wrongly disallowed in the first leg. Both teams suffered from poor decisions throughout both legs but nothing warranted the behaviour of Drogba and Bosingwa, its a farce that to appeal seems to be an automatic reduction. Wasn't Ballack pretty lucky to not be fined / banned too?

 

[Beerbaron]

If the ref cant do his job properly how do you expect the players to respect him and his decisions. I think it was quite fair their bans were reduced

 

[CliffyG]

The refs in both legs of both semi finals made some horrendous mistakes, its only Chelsea who threw their toys out and acted like children.

 

[Beerbaron]

Arsenal got walked over and wasnt really that close of a game score wise

 

[CliffyG]

My point is that bad decisions get made every game, i've yet to see anyone react like the Chelsea players did.

 

[da_mic_1530]

Regardless of what performance the ref put in, their actions were despicible and I firmly believe the punishment was too lenient in the first place, so to reduce it is quite frankly unbelievable.

 

[JohnnyG]

I can guarantee that the majority of people who think Bosingwa's behaviour was out of order or despicable have no idea what he actually got banned for so it's a bit rich of those who don't know to complain about the reduction really, just moaning for the sake of it it seems

 

[eggyoke]

Whats so pathetic is that UEFA actually judged the behavior and came to a conclusion regarding what punishment should be dealt. This should have been absolute, nothing should be able to change it, unless NEW evidence becomes availible that changes the outcome.

However its not the case here. All thats happened is, time has passed and UEFA have decided to twinkle with its own decisions based, most probably, on their own boredom at headquarters.

Absolutely disgraceful. All this has done has promoted Ref ranting because no one will have any respect for the system. The behavior of the Chelsea players was disgusting as far as responsible, professional sports stars go.

UEFA seriously needed to make an example of this situation, but they've completely messed it up... yet again.

 

[G|mp]

I thought Gustov and Tummy were lovers

 

[nst68]

If the ref cant do his job properly how do you expect the players to respect him and his decisions. I think it was quite fair their bans were reduced

Ah, so as long as the player thinks (and chances are it will only be the players from one team) that the ref is wrong, then it's perfectly acceptable to swear, harass and intimidate the ref?

In that case surely if a striker misses an open goal (i.e. not doing his job properly), can the ref go up to him and shout "LOSER LOSER" in this face?