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BaZ87 said:
You clearly have an issue with reading too.

Did I say he's not guilty? I simply pointed out that Tummy has no idea what he's talking about because he doesn't. He doesn't even know what Gerrard's been charged with (actually he says he hasn't been charged at all) and some how can give an opinion on Gerrard's attitude that night based on nothing more than the prosecutions claims.
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You don't agree with me because it's your club :p

Gerrard, reacted badly to a conversation with a man, his friend elbowed him and then Gerrard punched him several times in the face.

The man, didn't appear to do anything to provoke Gerrard. The argument arose from Gerrard not being able to play a song, ie, not getting his own way. Him and his friends reacted badly to it.

What's hard to understand ? I offered my opinion on why I think Gerrard kicked off, and why I also think that a lot of footballers might be shocked for someone to refuse to let them get their own way.

Sorry for saying a bad word against Saint Gerrard :rolleyes:
 
Tummy said:
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Why did I bother clicking to view your post? :rolleyes:

Unless you were there then you don't have a clue as to what or who caused the arguement. You have no idea what happened yet you're making a decision on what happened after hearing 1 side of the story. No doubt Gerrard's defense will claim that the DJ provoked Gerrard and like Hinchy says in Loki's thread, it wouldn't be unusual for a Footballer to be targetted by some idiot trying to make a name for himself.

I don't know what happened which is why I haven't given an opinion, you on the other hand are talking nonsense, as usual.
 
Tummy said:
You don't agree with me because it's your club :p

Gerrard, reacted badly to a conversation with a man, his friend elbowed him and then Gerrard punched him several times in the face.

The man, didn't appear to do anything to provoke Gerrard. The argument arose from Gerrard not being able to play a song, ie, not getting his own way. Him and his friends reacted badly to it.

What's hard to understand ? I offered my opinion on why I think Gerrard kicked off, and why I also think that a lot of footballers might be shocked for someone to refuse to let them get their own way.

Sorry for saying a bad word against Saint Gerrard :rolleyes:
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Your above post does not read like opinion but how you KNOW it happened. As Baz said, you know nothing from some crappy CCTV footage and one side of the story.
 
BaZ87 said:
Why did I bother clicking to view your post? :rolleyes:

Unless you were there then you don't have a clue as to what or who caused the arguement. You have no idea what happened yet you're making a decision on what happened after hearing 1 side of the story. No doubt Gerrard's defense will claim that the DJ provoked Gerrard and like Hinchy says in Loki's thread, it wouldn't be unusual for a Footballer to be targetted by some idiot trying to make a name for himself.

I don't know what happened which is why I haven't given an opinion, you on the other hand are talking nonsense, as usual.
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Ahhh so because you don't agree with me, you think I'm talking rubbish ? :rolleyes:

I don't agree with lot's of things, but I don't **** them off or dismiss them, maybe I'm different from you, but it's what helps create discussion and debate, two apposing opinions. :)

Now I agree, he wasn't a DJ was he ? I thought he was just a normal guy, who was in charge of the music ?

Footballers are often targeted, they're easy targets, because it's often a catch 22, they either don't react and get lots of abuse, or they react and get slatted and often in to lots of trouble. I maybe don't think that happened in his case, if it was the other way round a group of lads having a go at Gerrard and his friends. It wasn't it was one guy, in the corner of the bar, on his own.
 
BaZ87 said:
Why did I bother clicking to view your post? :rolleyes:

Unless you were there then you don't have a clue as to what or who caused the arguement. You have no idea what happened yet you're making a decision on what happened after hearing 1 side of the story. No doubt Gerrard's defense will claim that the DJ provoked Gerrard and like Hinchy says in Loki's thread, it wouldn't be unusual for a Footballer to be targetted by some idiot trying to make a name for himself.

I don't know what happened which is why I haven't given an opinion, you on the other hand are talking nonsense, as usual.
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Would the DJ telling Gerrard to **** off justify Gerrard and his mate smacking him in the head a few times or something?:confused: Doesn't really look from the CCTV like it's the guy trying to get something from Gerrard, it's Gerrard going behind the bar where the CD player is and then with his mate following it up afterwards by the looks of things.
 
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I have no problem with people having a difference of opinion to me. However you are saying things as if you know them for certain when you have no idea what happened.

And again, I haven't given an opinion on what happened because I don't know what happened.
 
BaZ87 said:
I have no problem with people having a difference of opinion to me. However you are saying things as if you know them for certain when you have no idea what happened.

And again, I haven't given an opinion on what happened because I don't know what happened.
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You seem to quite clearly have issue with my opinion, why don't you offer yours on what happened ?

'cause it looked like one dude refusing to give the cd player up, gets beat up because it's Gerrard and he should be able to get his own way.

Sky Sports News reported that Gerrard has said not guilty and his friends have all said Guilty to affray? might have miss heard, sure that's what it said.
 
Tummy said:
You seem to quite clearly have issue with my opinion, why don't you offer yours on what happened ?

'cause it looked like one dude refusing to give the cd player up, gets beat up because it's Gerrard and he should be able to get his own way.

Sky Sports News reported that Gerrard has said not guilty and his friends have all said Guilty to affray? might have miss heard, sure that's what it said.
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Are you having a laugh now? I have no idea what happened so how can I give an opinion?

Why does it look like Gerrard started the arguement? Because that's what the prosecution has claimed? Will you change your mind when Gerrard's defense then claim that the DJ was the one that became aggressive?

All the CCTV tells you is that an arguement broke out between Gerrard and the DJ. Unless you were there then I don't know how you can tell who or what caused the arguement.

As for the last part; I explained that in the other thread. There were 2 incidents.
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
Doesn't really look from the CCTV like it's the guy trying to get something from Gerrard, it's Gerrard going behind the bar where the CD player is and then with his mate following it up afterwards by the looks of things.
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Are you serious? Have you watched the actual CCTV footage from behind the bar?

The guy can clearly be seen talkign to Gerrard in a pleasent manner (and appears to be smiling) he then hands him a towel to dry his hands, and then just before Gerrard walks off the guy gives him a thumbs up.
 
What is the current FA policy on England selection? I remember Alan Smith was dropped from the squad because he was arrested for some offence, even though nothing came of it. Unfortunately it wasn't until after the game when the case was dropped. There was probably never any case to answer to start with but the merest wiff of police involvement and he was dropped from the squad, not innocent till proven guilty, not allowed to make his case or anything. Does the same not apply nowadays, or to Gerrard in particular, since he has played in a number of England matches since the fight?
 
G|mp said:
I don't think you can blame the fact he's a footballer he should know better blah blah blah

The fact is if I was in a boozer and some fool was swinging I would knock him out as well, it all boils down to who threw the first punch, if it was the fella then fair play to Gerrard.

If it was Gerrards mate and then Gerrard leathered him then he should go down and be branded with the word PUSSY on his ever decreasing forehead.
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Well said, regardless of the outcome I think the last bit should be tattooed on his forehead. :)
 
BaZ87 said:
Are you having a laugh now? I have no idea what happened so how can I give an opinion?

Why does it look like Gerrard started the arguement? Because that's what the prosecution has claimed? Will you change your mind when Gerrard's defense then claim that the DJ was the one that became aggressive?

All the CCTV tells you is that an arguement broke out between Gerrard and the DJ. Unless you were there then I don't know how you can tell who or what caused the arguement.

As for the last part; I explained that in the other thread. There were 2 incidents.
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When I saw the CCTV, the thing that jumped out and me how aggressive one man in a corner had become against a group of lads. /sarcasm off.

Maybe, you're right, maybe the man in the corner started the argument with Gerrard, however Gerrard continued the argument, he even went back after the initial conversation. Which ended up with the man being elbowed and punched.

I have no clue about two incidents, I'll read about it. Sky Sports News said they had pleaded guilty, and Gerrard innocent. They didn't mention two separate incidents.
 
If it was Rooney, all I know is that the media would be calling for his head... but prolly cos Rooney would have taken the mans head off!
 
I don't know why people are arguing the side of Gerrard's party, whatever happened, they were a gang and surrounded and beat up one guy, that's pretty harsh really.
 
jakeke said:
I don't know why people are arguing the side of Gerrard's party, whatever happened, they were a gang and surrounded and beat up one guy, that's pretty harsh really.
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They are defending the fact that nobody knows what happened and certain people are making assumptions.

If the bloke slapped Gerrard first and his mate lamped him, then Gerrard, then thats fair play imo.
 
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