So it's not two separate incidents ? one big one ? are the courts treating it as two separate ones ?
Every where I've looked it seems to be one incident.
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So it's not two separate incidents ? one big one ? are the courts treating it as two separate ones ?
Every where I've looked it seems to be one incident.
Well keep looking then. Gerrard wasn't involved in the incident that his friends have pleaded guilty to.
He punched the man ?
Yes. He claims it was self defense. His friends, after he had been pulled away, then attacked the guy.
What Gerrard's friends done has nothing to do with what Gerrard is being charged with as he was not there when it happened. It's really not too difficult to understand Tummy.
Gerrards friend elbows him > Gerrard punches him > pulled away.
Do the friends pile in straight away ?
or is it a separate incident, as in 10 mins later he's attacked ?
I'd see the friends coming in straight away as one big messy brawl, regardless of if Gerrard has been pulled out.
If there was a decent length of time between the attacks, then I can understand two.
As you're the only person that's saying two incidents, I don't know.
I'd like to be able to read it somewhere, but you have no links.
Mr McGee, who was initially struck by Mr Gerrard's friend John Doran, said he thought the footballer hit him first.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8162869.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8162869.stm
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it was all part of the same attack, the first guy who punched him was also still hitting the guy as Gerrard was pulled back. Gerrard was basically the FIRST one pulled off the guy, nothing more nothing less, its not a different attack and its clutching at straws to pretend it was. Lets also not forget, he didn't back away himself, he didn't choose to stop hitting the defenseless guy he'd already made not a threat before he punched him the first time, he had to be dragged away by several people.
More over the barman says that the guy was elbowed by Gerrards friend then Gerrard, sportingly grabbed the guys jumper, pulled it over his head, held him down and with his arms basically stuck, and bent over, completely and utterly DEFENSELESS proceeded to start punching him in the face.
Self defence my behind, and thats exactly (bar pulling the jumper over his head) what I said it looked like BEFORE I knew thats what the barman was saying happened.
Gerrards excuse, errm, I went over to make up with the guy and he got all aggressive by "standing up" when I went to talk to him.
Another way of interpretting that is, he and his five friends went over to this guy sitting quietly at the bar, surrounded him and he stood up like any normal person would do when confronted by a loud of people. Then they proceeded to beat him to a pulp without the guy doing anything wrong at all.
He really should get done for it, its literally inexcusable, his feeble attempts to pretend he did nothing wrong are, well, they sound like a little kid trying to squirm his way out of trouble.
AS I said before though, its going to be down to how many Liverpool fans are on the jury.
Its funny that all his friends, both the guy that started it and the other guys who jumped in all realised they were guilty, yet Gerrard somehow thinks he's innocent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-blows-described-in-gerrard-case-1756610.html
It's also repeated in a lot of other articles. 4 of Gerrard's 6 friends have pleaded guilty to this as they quite clearly can't claim it to be self defense. Gerrard and the other 2 friends were not involved in this attack and have pleaded not guilty to affray.
Now you're going back on ignore with dm.
edit: and again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
edit2: sorry, 5 pleaded guilty and 1 not guilty.
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Thats basically how it happened according to everyone.
Yep.
Seems like one big messy argument.
Gerrard, should have just said Guilty, he's admitted hitting the guy.
I have my doubts about what kind of punishment he will be facing, as I said and DM just said, Liverpool captain, going through court in Liverpool.
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Lol, from a guy who is defending a thug because he plays for your team. If Gallas attacked people I'd be all over him aswell as it would be a disgrace.
The video footage proves you're wrong, he did attack this guy, unquestionably, all the witness's that aren't Gerrards friends say he did.
Brilliant, because you don't like our opinions
More because you both talk **** I imagine.
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But dm said it's all part of the same attack just above your post
How could he be wrong? He's posted so much about the attack it's obvious he was there to witness it all.
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I don't think either me or Tummy are trying to justify one fight counting as two because Gerrard stopped fighting midway through it.
Neither of us are trying to break the reality of our universe just so our beloved captain is innocent of a malicious and violent attack that should land him in jail.
"that guys not punching that other guy in the video, he's, giving him a massage/playing air guitar/using a Wii mote to simulate punching and you just can't see the TV"
Considering theres STILL nothing from anyone on Gerrards side denying what the video is claiming to show, and he's admitted punching him and he's been trying to justify the guy STANDING UP as intimidating.
But dm said it's all part of the same attack just above your post
How could he be wrong? He's posted so much about the attack it's obvious he was there to witness it all.
Maybe he's the DJ. He seemed sure that the reason for the assault charges being dropped was because Gerrard paid him off.
After he gave evidence today, if i was Gerrard I'd ask for my money back.
edit: or maybe G|mp's right and he talks ****.
I'm always right Barry you know that.
Let DM know I can't see his posts as well would you
I'm always right Barry you know that.
Let DM know I can't see his posts as well would you
Doran, 29, of Woodlands Road,
Ian Gerrard Smith, 19, of Hilary Avenue,
Paul McGrattan, 31, of Linden Drive, all Huyton, admit affray.
Accrington Stanley footballers Robert Grant, 19, of Enstone Avenue, Litherland, and
Ian Dunbavin, 28, of Guildford Road, Southport, have also admitted affray.
John McGrattan, 34, of Rimmer Avenue, Huyton, has admitted threatening behaviour after denying affray.
So 5 have admitted Affray, and 1 threatening behaviour. That makes 6 have admitted a part, not 4. Unless the BBC is wrong.
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