Gerrard...

dirtydog · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:03

A shocking verdict although what we all expected of course.

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:03

I didn't comment initially as the case was ongoing but now it is over, I am of the opinion that he was not guilty of affray and I am surprised the CPS ran with it.

Tummy · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:03

BaZ87 said:
Not Guilty

Can't wait for some people's reactions

Liverpool fans deciding if he was guilty or not eh ?

Fair play to him, did his friends get off as well ?

dirtydog · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:04

Tummy said:
Liverpool fans deciding if he was guilty or not eh ?

Fair play to him, did his friends get off as well ?

His friends all pleaded guilty.

BaZ87 · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:04

dirtydog said:
His friends all pleaded guilty.

Don't waste your time explaining things to him

Tummy · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:06

haha that's brilliant.

dirtydog · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:07

Von Smallhausen said:
I didn't comment initially as the case was ongoing but now it is over, I am of the opinion that he was not guilty of affray and I am surprised the CPS ran with it.

Do you buy the story that it was legitimate self defence then?

Pigeon_Killer · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:10

Von Smallhausen said:
I didn't comment initially as the case was ongoing but now it is over, I am of the opinion that he was not guilty of affray and I am surprised the CPS ran with it.

Are you involved with law?

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:17

dirtydog said:
Do you buy the story that it was legitimate self defence then?

I buy that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction for Affray.

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:17

Pigeon_Killer said:
Are you involved with law?

Yes.

ringo747 · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:20

Funny how he is the only one to get found not guilty. Again, its just a matter of fame getting you off light.

Pigeon_Killer · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:23

Von Smallhausen said:
Yes.

Thank you. There have been so many part-time lawyers in this thread over the last few days it's nice to hear the opinion of someone with some knowledge of law.

Out of interest, did you refuse to comment because you're not allowed or because you chose not to?

Visionary · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:23

Von Smallhausen said:
I buy that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction for Affray.

That's not why he's being let off though.

BaZ87 · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:24

ringo747 said:
Funny how he is the only one to get found not guilty. Again, its just a matter of fame getting you off light.

Not really funny, it seems perfectly logical. 1 hit the guy without reason and 4 others joined in the attact, they could hardly claim self defense. The Jury decided that Gerrard acted in self defense when the DJ lunged towards him, believing that Gerrard was the person who threw the initial punch.

NeilF · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:25

A jury at Liverpool Crown Court agreed with Mr Gerrard's assertion that he was acting in self-defence.

The 29-year-old footballer, of Formby, Merseyside, was the only one of seven men to be cleared over the violence.

LOL! What a mockery of a farce!

Was he being attacked? No... Was he being prevented from walking away? No... Was the 1st punch self defense? Or the 2nd? Or the 3rd?

Money talks...

dirtydog · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:25

Von Smallhausen said:
I buy that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction for Affray.

Unwilling to answer my question? :confused:

Visionary · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:26

Pigeon_Killer said:
Thank you. There have been so many part-time lawyers in this thread over the last few days it's nice to hear the opinion of someone with some knowledge of law.

I dunno, Gerrard's defence team has been working 24/7 on here.

dirtydog · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:27

Von Smallhausen said:
Yes.

But not as a lawyer. Perhaps the CPS and the top barrister they had prosecuting the case are more expert at the law than you, or at least we would hope so as that is their profession.

Kriist · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:28

Von Smallhausen said:
I buy that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction for Affray.

apart from the CCTV showing him laying into the guy?

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jul 2009 at 13:29

ringo747 said:
Funny how he is the only one to get found not guilty. Again, its just a matter of fame getting you off light.

The rest went guilty before trial and that was their choice. Perhaps if they went to trial they may have been found not guilty ? Who knows ? They can not appeal against conviction now so it is a moot point.

A safe conviction of affray in this case is for the jury to be satisfied that where two or more persons use or threaten violence, it is the conduct of them all that must be considered and looking at the footage I think there was insufficient evidence for Steven Gerrard to be convicted.

I have no loyalty to Liverpool FC or Gerrard himself and my opinion is completely unbiased although it is only an opinion.