Reasonable Force Self Defence

[Mucky_Pup]

should have stabbed all five of them five times.

 

[Jokester]

Here's a thought, why not investigate the facts before going around announcing you suspect people of attempted murder. The guy in the article wasn't a flight risk, why arrest him?

How do you, or the police know that?

 

[wesley]

if i am in the jury in this trial, i would never find him guilty. no matter what story.

 

[JBuk]

The guy in the article wasn't a flight risk, why arrest him?

Correct procedure probably

 

[scorza]

Correct procedure probably

Procedure is wrong (and illegal) then.

 

[scorza]

How do you, or the police know that?

By looking at the facts.

Five known trouble makers, vandalised van outside home, homeowner's son badly beaten up, homeowner's version of events makes sense.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Procedure is wrong (and illegal) then.

Illegal?! What are you on?

By looking at the facts.

Five known trouble makers, vandalised van outside home, homeowner's son badly beaten up, homeowner's version of events makes sense.

I really hope you never do jury service.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Procedure is wrong (and illegal) then.

Why do you say the procedure is illegal? That's a bit of a strong statement to make unless you know something that the rest of us don't here.

 

[^TANK^]

should have stabbed all five of them five times.

But thats not self defense is it.

 

[scorza]

Illegal?! What are you on?

You can't arrest people on suspicion of attempted murder unless the facts support that suspicion. The police can't have a procedure that says, turn up at the scene of a stabbing and automatically arrest the homeowner.

 

[EdGey]

good on him.

 

[RDM]

So far the story we are being given is:

5 guys vandalising van. Son goes out to stop them, they start beating him up. Step father comes out (with weapon) and attempts to rescue son from the beating. Stabs one of the guys 5 times.

If the above is true then I don't see any real issue with what the guy did (1 v 5 has already proven a bad idea so using a weapon would seem reasonable) and stabbing someone 5 times can be put down to adrenaline and we have no idea if which of those stabs was enough to incapacitate the person.

Someone ended up in hospital with stab wounds so I think the police were right to arrest him. It allows them to question him in a controlled environment with legal representation present, protecting both him and them.

I do not think charges should be brought against him or he should go to court, but then I don't know the full facts.

 

[Jokester]

By looking at the facts.

Five known trouble makers, vandalised van outside home, homeowner's son badly beaten up, homeowner's version of events makes sense.

How about the two homeowners (one armed) went out to confront them and attacked them, one of which got a beating whilst the other stabbed one of the youths in the fight. Equally as plausable and certainly verging on the attempted murder course of events. The police can't just make quick and potentially rash judgements in the case of a potential attempted murder charge.

 

[JBuk]

Procedure is wrong (and illegal) then.

Why? I expect in most cases the person who has inflicted such serious wounds would be arrested under suspicion of something

 

[moremoney]

Another story of scumbags getting caught and crying wolf.

If it was me i would not hesitate in stabbing the scumbags.

Lets do away with this human rights act from Europe, and wite our own human rights laws. Something that makes more sense.

If you are on my property you forgoe all of your rights, and if you dont leave i have the right to remove you.
Sounds about right to me, if i didn't invite you, you must be here to do me and mine harm.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Yup.

The only thing that might go against him is if he took a knife out with him.

You are allowed to use any "reasonable" level fo force to protect yourself, or another from what you could reasonably consider a threat to the person, and would include if say you picked up a knife from the kitchen drawer if it took place in there etc

If he was cutting vegetables (for example) at the time he became aware of the incident and then ran outside, then he would not be convicted in my view.

There's a difference between this and intentionally picking a knife up and running out with it.

 

[semi-pro waster]

You can't arrest people on suspicion of attempted murder unless the facts support that suspicion. The police can't have a procedure that says, turn up at the scene of a stabbing and automatically arrest the homeowner.

He was arrested while they straightened out the situation and released when it was determined that he had a reasonable excuse for his actions - how is that in any way, shape or form illegal?

As said arresting him allowed the questioning to take place in a controlled environment and may even have acted to ensure his safety (or that of others). If the police did not arrest him or at least take him in for questioning while the facts of the case were still uncertain then they would be failing in their duty to the public and that would be much more of an issue.

 

[WalesOwl]

There's a difference between this and intentionally picking a knife up and running out with it.

There is no difference between self defence and pre-meditated self defence.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

There is no difference between self defence and pre-meditated self defence.

How can you pre-mediate self-defence?

 

[JBuk]

If he was cutting vegetables (for example) at the time he became aware of the incident and then ran outside, then he would not be convicted in my view.

There's a difference between this and intentionally picking a knife up and running out with it.

I wonder how much all the recent gang crimes could affect any potential case

I think it's fair enough to expect the need for such force against a group of thugs these days as lots of people approaching these types of gangs have ended up dead or beaten to a pulp.