Schumacher makes shock F1 return

JUMPURS said:
So he is like Webber then who crashed into Barrachello? And even then, it is still a weak arguement the Schumacher haters come out with all the time. If it hadn't been the useless Hill, nobody would have bothered.
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The Aussie incident in 94 was very dangerous indeed - I cant think of anything Webber has done on anywhere near the same scale

It sounds like you are just as blind to his failures (like parking on the apex in Monaco during qualifying) as you accuse the "haters" of highlighting them

JUMPURS said:
The only thing it would have done is made him 6 times world champion, but then again, he may have won a 7th another time because of it.
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After 97 proved what MS was capable of (as if there was doubt after 94) he should have been banned from the sport completely

So at best he would have two titles - and the 94 should have been recinded even though it wouldnt have counted for anything to DH
 
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JUMPURS said:
'When i discovered Michael back in....'

'When he raced for Jordan....'

I wish Coulthard would just hit him.
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lol

you know thats what goes through DC's head when EJ decides to butt in interview.....EJ was annoying **** out of me last week when he was walking about with MB on grid
 
FrankJH said:
After 97 proved what MS was capable of (as if there was doubt after 94) he should have been banned from the sport completely
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Guess we'd better ban Senna after 1990 as well then. Hey, maybe he'd even still be alive if they'd banned him from the sport....:rolleyes:

Prost goes as well for driving into the side of Senna in 1989. And Olivier Panis for shoving Eddie Irvine off the road at Monaco in '96. James Hunt loses his '76 title because he edged Vittorio Brambilla into a spin at the Japanese GP that year on his way to winning the championship.

Shall I go on?
 
JUMPURS said:
So he is like Webber then who crashed into Barrachello? And even then, it is still a weak arguement the Schumacher haters come out with all the time. If it hadn't been the useless Hill, nobody would have bothered.
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So you're admitting Schumacher won his titles against useless drivers?
Spot on mate.
which is why he will never be considered a true great by those who were born before the 90s.
Mika Hakkinen is ranked quite poorly and him and Hill were both Senna number 2s.
This was the easiest era of F1, after Prost retired and Senna died the next real talent was Alonso. And look what he did to Schumacher, when Renault produced a half good car.
Every Schumacher fan lives in denial of 2005 and 2006. Funny that.

What makes me sick to the stomach, is that a few years later he shed crocodile tears for senna, but the actual year 2 drivers died from crashes he robbed Williams and Senna's very own team mate. He was happy to celebrate and made no attempt at apologizing, chose to lie instead. Frank williams said they would have appealed any other year, but just wanted to go home and forget the whole sad year.
 
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FrankJH said:
After 97 proved what MS was capable of (as if there was doubt after 94) he should have been banned from the sport completely

So at best he would have two titles - and the 94 should have been recinded even though it wouldnt have counted for anything to DH
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I lol'd :D
 
SC04 said:
Every Schumacher fan lives in denial of 2005 and 2006. Funny that.
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Not this Schumacher fan.

Even allowing for the tyre situation, MS had a poor 2005. He just looked completely out-of-sorts, and it looked as if he'd stayed a season too long. His only win came about because Michelin screwed up in Indy. But 2006 saw some of his best driving - China was an epic, and his charge at Brazil after getting that puncture was simply magnificent. Alonso beat him, but Schumacher made a damned good fight of it.
 
JRS said:
Guess we'd better ban Senna after 1990 as well then. Hey, maybe he'd even still be alive if they'd banned him from the sport....:rolleyes:

Prost goes as well for driving into the side of Senna in 1989. And Olivier Panis for shoving Eddie Irvine off the road at Monaco in '96. James Hunt loses his '76 title because he edged Vittorio Brambilla into a spin at the Japanese GP that year on his way to winning the championship.

Shall I go on?
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The Prost and Senna incidents were political and did not occur the same year 2 drivers died from crashes. Let alone crashing into the dead drivers team and team mate. Williams were actually too sadened to appeal.
 
JRS said:
Not this Schumacher fan.

Even allowing for the tyre situation, MS had a poor 2005. He just looked completely out-of-sorts, and it looked as if he'd stayed a season too long. His only win came about because Michelin screwed up in Indy. But 2006 saw some of his best driving - China was an epic, and his charge at Brazil after getting that puncture was simply magnificent. Alonso beat him, but Schumacher made a damned good fight of it.
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No the FIA made a damn good fight of it after banning Renault's mass dampers. The same dampers that Ferrari were testing but couldnt make as good.
2005 renault had some tyre advantages, but schumacher owes at least 1 possibly 2 titles to having the best tyres anyway. Also the tyre situation was bound to come back and bite Ferrari after their special relationship with Bridgestone ****ed off the other teams and Michelin made the most of.
 
I've read a lot of posts in here and I'm really pleased that most people are in the same frame of mind as myself, its going to be AMAZING.

After the Schumacher Vs Hill years, after Hill departed I supported Schumacher 110% as he just had it all, raw tallent, the will and determination to win, the attitude you need to succeed in the sport, and the natural ability to take a car to its limits for a whole race and punch in quali lap after quali lap, he's the whole package!

I personally think there are going to be a LOT of people amazed at just how well he is going to do, you have to remember how long he has been racing in F1, his ability isn't something you can be taught, its a natural tallent and he was gifted with it in bucket loads, 7 world titles kinda proves this.

It will be excellent for the sport, in light of the recent battles over the budget caps and so on hopefully this is the light at the end of the tunnel for F1 in 2009.

I've got so much I could write about this at the moment I could probably fill the entire page with ease, lol, so I'm gonna stop here but just add, Raikonen needs to lift his game, Hamilton and Button and the two Red Bull drivers are going to be kept VERY honest and also possibly Alonso providing the Renault has improved and Hungary wasn't a fluke pole (which I think it was personally as he was running on fumes) but only time will tell.

All in all, the sport just got a whole lot better especially with the ever encouraging news about Massa's positive progress.

For now let the assumptions and speculation continue, all will be revealed in a few weeks time when we enter "The Maestro's Playground!" in Valencia!

Stu
 
Fireblade2K4 said:
I personally think there are going to be a LOT of people amazed at just how well he is going to do, you have to remember how long he has been racing in F1, his ability isn't something you can be taught, its a natural tallent and he was gifted with it in bucket loads, 7 world titles kinda proves this.
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Mansell came back aged 41 after 2 years out, and outqualified both title contenders, one of them a much younger schumacher.

So yes theres a lot of people new to F1 who wont remember that its certainly possible.

7 world titles proves he was one of the lucky few of millions of highly talented young kart racers. In some cases the quicker drivers didnt even make it into bigger Formulas, hence why Ive never gone gooey over the drivers with the best stats.
 
SC04 said:
Mansell came back aged 41 after 2 years out, and outqualified both title contenders, one of them a much younger schumacher.

So yes theres a lot of people new to F1 who wont remember that its certainly possible.

7 world titles proves he was one of the lucky few of millions of highly talented young kart racers. In some cases the quicker drivers didnt even make it into bigger Formulas, hence why Ive never gone gooey over the drivers with the best stats.
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The 7 World titles also proves that although you think he is lucky, some of us think that luck might get you 1 or 2 but to get 7 you need to have skills(or skillz for the chavs amongst us)...something that he will surely be showing off come racing weekend :D:D
 
What most people forget is that from 2003(maybe before) ferrari got $80mil backhander from the FIA
and then every time they won the constutors\drivers championship they would get another $80mil(none of the other teams knew this)

So with all that extra cash they designed a car around MS.
How could he not win with all that extra cash being put into the car.
 
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deuse said:
What most people forget is that from 2003(maybe before) ferrari got $80mil backhander from the FIA
and then every time they won the constutors\drivers championship they would get another $80(none of the other teams knew this)

So with all that extra cash they designed a car around MS.
How could he not win with all that extra cash being put into the car.
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Source?
 
deuse said:
What most people forget is that from 2003(maybe before) ferrari got $80mil backhander from the FIA
and then every time they won the constutors\drivers championship they would get another $80mil(none of the other teams knew this)

So with all that extra cash they designed a car around MS.
How could he not win with all that extra cash being put into the car.
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Funny how all that cash helped him win in the rain then, which most F1 experts reckon levels the field out more than most factors ;)
 
Type_R said:
Funny how all that cash helped him win in the rain then, which most F1 experts reckon levels the field out more than most factors ;)
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Well give Brawn a $80mil backhander and I bet his cold tire problem will go away FAST.
 
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