RAF Halve Eurofighter Order

sounds like good sense to me... the Eurofighter 2000, or whatever is overdue, outdated, overhyped, all for a hyperinflated price! its not like we really need an elite air arm of air to air fighters really..

would be better off just buying a load of F35's as far as i can make sense out of the whole thing...
 
ya but whent he MOD realised that we no longer need to fight air to air.. i mean come on, what fighters do the talibans have? they started to modify the Typhoon into more of a Air to Ground attack... but its not really cut out for it...

hence getting a squad of more flexible, and cheaper to buy F35 would have been better...

but when Eurofighter was concieved int he 80's the landscape was different..?
 
Nickg said:
ya but whent he MOD realised that we no longer need to fight air to air.. i mean come on, what fighters do the talibans have?
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thats a ridiculous way to look at it, who's to say the next country we go up against wont have a capable air to air threat?

this aint suprising at all, just brings it inline with the rest of the defence cuts we've had over the past few years.:rolleyes:
 
really? with us being part of NATo and exceptionally unlikely to get into a serious conflict with a genuine euro superpower, and even if we did, a fleet of 200+ Eurofighters is far too excessive..
 
Nickg said:
really? with us being part of NATo and exceptionally unlikely to get into a serious conflict with a genuine euro superpower, and even if we did, a fleet of 200+ Eurofighters is far too excessive..
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Why does it have to be a Euro superpower? It could easily be someone like Iran?
 
their planes wouldnt get off the runway without being bombed into a blitzen.

thats the benefit of tomahawks, 2000lb jdams, drones...

do you really see us engaging air to air combat vs iran?

im not saying that we wouldnt need the facility, ever, but 200x birds at however million is surely overkilll.. like i said the MOD seems to have cottoned on, otherwise they wouldnt be tryin to retrofit them to be air to ground..
 
one day we will go up against a capable enemy, and then we will regret all these cut backs...

canceling the carriers was the worst thing they could have done, now the eurofighters.

our kit is WAY too old...
 
EdGey said:
one day we will go up against a capable enemy, and then we will regret all these cut backs...

canceling the carriers was the worst thing they could have done, now the eurofighters.

our kit is WAY too old...
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We're up against a very capable enemy now, and we're regretting cut backs made over the last 30 years.

Don't think they've cancelled the carriers (yet!).
 
EdGey said:
one day we will go up against a capable enemy, and then we will regret all these cut backs...

canceling the carriers was the worst thing they could have done, now the eurofighters.

our kit is WAY too old...
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This.

Britain deserves to have the crap kicked out of it for the laughable way we view and treat our armed forces, particularly funding and equipment.
 
The carriers are a far more resounding loss for the country than the eurofighter...

and when u can buy the latest kit off the shelf from the US anyway, the cutting back of projects like the Eurofighter is no loss...

remember we (the UK) cannot deliver any project on time or budget so planning now and having jet fighters in 30 years of development is not useful in any way.
 
Nickg said:
The carriers are a far more resounding loss for the country than the eurofighter...

and when u can buy the latest kit off the shelf from the US anyway, the cutting back of projects like the Eurofighter is no loss...

remember we (the UK) cannot deliver any project on time or budget so planning now and having jet fighters in 30 years of development is not useful in any way.
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carriers are not cancelled afaik

this cutback removes 7 odd billion from MOD budget, I think they can now afford the carriers :)
 
Nickg said:
their planes wouldnt get off the runway without being bombed into a blitzen.

thats the benefit of tomahawks, 2000lb jdams, drones...

do you really see us engaging air to air combat vs iran?

im not saying that we wouldnt need the facility, ever, but 200x birds at however million is surely overkilll.. like i said the MOD seems to have cottoned on, otherwise they wouldnt be tryin to retrofit them to be air to ground..
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As said, its incredibly unlikely that we will need to fight air to air over our shores as a defence. In terms of fighting air to air against Iran, its pretty simple, wait till their planes run out of fuel, land, then send some long range missiles or some bombers to take the airfield out while they are grounded. The chances of Iran sending a huge wave of bombers all the way to the UK, without being intercepted by multiple airforces en route, in numbers large enough that 200 eurofighters are required are quite literally non existant.

Non of the superpowers can afford all out way with another one so no one would do so, China's wealth is largely invested in Uk/US debt so they have no reason to go to war with anyone. THe two real chances for war in the future are Iran and North Korea, of which realistically neither in any way shape or form will require massive air armada's to protect our borders, both war's would be faught in Iraq/Vietnam style ground wars which simply aren't anything like the same kinds of fights.

Hell, when was the last big air to air fight? Has there been any significant skirmishes since world war 2 with massive fleets of planes flying to attack another country AND facing realistic resistance.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Hell, when was the last big air to air fight? Has there been any significant skirmishes since world war 2 with massive fleets of planes flying to attack another country AND facing realistic resistance.
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Falklands, and even then the RAF weren't involved in shooting down ANY of the Argentine planes, in fact the RAF hasnt shot down a plane in air combat since World War 2.
 
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