Senator Edward Kennedy has died...

meghatronic said:
And we, sir, are not American. So it can kindly **** off out tv. A 30s clip is more than enough.
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America is the worlds only superpower, what ever happens over there causes not just ripples, but tidal waves across the wolrd, what happens over there matters very much to us. For instance, should the USA legalise Cannabis, how long do you think it would take for it to be legal over here? Edward Kennedy campaigned for healthcare reform, civil rights and a host of other rights for the underprivlidged who are often ignored by society. It is telling that the source for back up with the disproval of the coverage is not the Daily Mail, but comments from Daily Mail readers, which even there seems to contain a small amount of people with intelligence.

Some of these idiots responding to Senator Kennedys death have no conception of the hopes that were raised in people all over the world when Jack Kennedy was made president.It was bigots like some of the respondents today that helped to bring about the conditions that led to both Jack and Robert Kennedys murders.

Most of the anti-Kennedy respondents today are only doing because of the role he played in the IRA ceasefire,they would rather the campaign had carried on rather than give credit where it is due.

All of the Kennedy brothers had there faults but in the long term as politicians the good they brought about far outweighs there sins.

I only wish we had 3 like them in our own political system.
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If you dont like the news, switch channel, to many people this is very important and matters.
 
DrDee said:
Then you are a fool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kza-iTe2100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6nQhss4Yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY
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"Man repeats speech written for him by someone else." OK, So... what exactly am I supposed to be looking at here? Still can't find a "wow" factor.

Yes, the Kennedys were interesting and young and energetic, and captured the public imagination. Yes, they said some very nice things in the speeches other people wrote for them. Yes, they managed to achieve some good throughout their various political lives (some more than others, but none of them any more than other prominent statesmen and stateswomen of their day).

The Kennedy aura is grossly overstated and does not pass the "So what?" test.
 
Evangelion said:
"Man repeats speech written for him by someone else." OK, So... what exactly am I supposed to be looking at here? Still can't find a "wow" factor.
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It's clear you don't even understand the first thing about leading a country.
Reading a speech is more than just reading words out loud.

He inspired the people and was something for them to feel proud about.
Public speaking is probably the most important skill any politician needs to have. If you can't give a good speech, then it doesn't matter what your ideas are, no one will listen.

Kennedy gave great speeches, that much is undeniable.

Are you suggesting that if someone else was to read MLK's "I have a dream" speech, it would have the same impact?
:rolleyes:
 
raz0rr said:
Are you suggesting that if someone else was to read MLK's "I have a dream" speech, it would have the same impact?
:rolleyes:
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Whilst I agree charisma has a lot to do with it (Obama, Hitler, King etc..), I think a lot more behind the power of a speech is the speech itself, rather than the delivery.
 
GQ said:
Even a partial listing of the major bills in whose passage Kennedy has played a part is impressive. Whether you admire them or not, these are the measures that transformed—mostly liberalized—America in our time: the first Immigration Reform Act; the Voting Rights Act and its extensions; the Freedom of Information Act; the Gun Control Act; the Campaign Financing Reform law; the Comprehensive Selective Service Reform Act; the Eighteen-Year-Old Vote law; the Occupational Safety and Health Act; the War on Cancer bills; the recodification of federal criminal laws; the Bilingual Education Act; the Fair Housing Acts; the Age Discrimination Act; the Airline and Trucking Deregulation bills; the Job Training Partnership Act; the South African sanctions; and the Grove City Civil Rights Restoration Act.

Far more than either of his brothers, who were lackluster senators, Kennedy, over the past three decades, has been responsible for changes in the complexion of this country and in the lives of its citizens. He has been an ally of blacks, American Indians, the poor, the sick, the aged, the mentally ill, starving refugees worldwide and immigrants. He has been an outspoken liberal, unafraid to take the controversial positions—on issues such as busing, abortion, gun control, the Vietnam War (late but forcefully), the nuclear freeze and capital punishment—that other senators clearly avoided.
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Yes, how over rated he was :rolleyes:
 
Murf said:
So the only reason you dislike the coverage is that it includes foreigners?
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Oh don't troll.

Not foreigners; this particular foreigner, and not BECAUSE he is foreign.

And you'd rather they show 'anything', as long as it's British right?
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Well it would be a start. If they then cover something which is both newsworthy and that the British people care about, it would be even better.

Good God. You get less subtle by the day.
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With your straw men and your trolling, perhaps you should look closer to home.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
So err, not found anything?
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Oh we'll just google for it shall we? As if there is going to be a breadcrumb trail.

Is this the same Edward "Ted" Kennedy that gave support to the terrorist IRA during the 1980s and 1990s? Is this the same Ted Kennedy who routinely greeted the supporters and masterminds of IRA terrorism on St Patrick's Day in the USA? Is this the same Edward Kennedy who in 1971 compared the British military presence in Northern Ireland to America's unpopular involvement in Vietnam, a slight difference being that Vietnam was not part of America whilst Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority population want to remain that way. Is this the same Edward Kennedy who called for the immediate withdrawal of the British army from Northern Ireland claiming that Protestants who could not accept a united Ireland "should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain", even though they were born and raised in Northern Ireland? I could go on and I could bring up Chappaquiddick and wonder why Ted Kennedy gets a free pass on his involvement in the death of an innocent woman whilst a conservative US politician in a similar scandal would never be allowed back into public life, but I won't. I will just point out that the day anyone should take seriously the words of Edward Kennedy on any matter of terrorism or of safe driving has not yet come.
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News has been really slow lately.

BBC, Sky raped the Lockerbee release news lately i.e. how upset the americans are. And now this.

This is the problem with 24 hour news. Bring back the days when you had your half hour roundup at 9pm/10pm that was it.
 
dirtydog said:
I've complained to the BBC via their website and I would advise anyone else who finds their coverage offensive to do likewise:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms
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Why on earth would anyone find the BBC coverage offensive?

I remember reading a 4 page Guardian article on the end of the Kennedy dynasty only last week, after the death of Eunice Kennedy...is this overkill as well then, or do you like to remain mis-informed by the right wing bias of the Daily Snail?

Kennedy spent more than 40 years working for the good of his country, earning the respect of politicians across the political spectrum...guess you could say that is a greater contribution than 8 years of destruction, chaos and division from the most recent incumbent of the White House.

RIP Ted Kennedy
 
dirtydog said:
Oh don't troll. Well it would be a start. If they then cover something which is both newsworthy and that the British people care about, it would be even better.
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I'm British and I care very much about this, just because your small minded ignorance stop you from caring about the world now it globalisation has occurred doesn't mean we all don't care.

Your argument is foolish and you are an idiot.
 
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