Senator Edward Kennedy has died...

Never met the man, but have buried two friends thanks to the scumbag.

Never thought i'd qoute bono in a serious thread:
bono said:
And let me tell you somethin'. I've had enough of Irish Americans who haven't been back to their country in twenty or thirty years come up to me and talk about the resistance, the revolution back home…and the glory of the revolution…and the glory of dying for the revolution. **** the revolution! They don't talk about the glory of killing for the revolution. What's the glory in taking a man from his bed and gunning him down in front of his wife and his children? Where's the glory in that? Where's the glory in bombing a Remembrance Day parade of old age pensioners, their medals taken out and polished up for the day. Where's the glory in that? To leave them dying or crippled for life or dead under the rubble of the revolution, that the majority of the people in my country don't want. No more
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This man is nothing but a scumbag, he left a Mary Jo Kopechne to die, so that he could get out of a DUI charge.

Not a great loss to humanity, i hope if their is a hell hes getting his just deserts.

I hope the american's dont parade him like a hero, but knowing the yanks and their hypercritical way's expect a full state fully aired funeral right in the face of the ira victims families.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Never met the man, but have buried two friends thanks to the scumbag.

Never thought i'd qoute bono in a serious thread:


This man is nothing but a scumbag, he left a Mary Jo Kopechne to die, so that he could get out of a DUI charge.

Not a great loss to humanity, i hope if their is a hell hes getting his just deserts.

I hope the american's dont parade him like a hero, but knowing the yanks and their hypercritical way's expect a full state fully aired funeral right in the face of the ira victims families.
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Explain and source your points?



Abraxaz1 said:
Not a great loss to humanity, i hope if their is a hell hes getting his just deserts.
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Really? You really think that?

GQ said:
Even a partial listing of the major bills in whose passage Kennedy has played a part is impressive. Whether you admire them or not, these are the measures that transformed—mostly liberalized—America in our time: the first Immigration Reform Act; the Voting Rights Act and its extensions; the Freedom of Information Act; the Gun Control Act; the Campaign Financing Reform law; the Comprehensive Selective Service Reform Act; the Eighteen-Year-Old Vote law; the Occupational Safety and Health Act; the War on Cancer bills; the recodification of federal criminal laws; the Bilingual Education Act; the Fair Housing Acts; the Age Discrimination Act; the Airline and Trucking Deregulation bills; the Job Training Partnership Act; the South African sanctions; and the Grove City Civil Rights Restoration Act.

Far more than either of his brothers, who were lackluster senators, Kennedy, over the past three decades, has been responsible for changes in the complexion of this country and in the lives of its citizens. He has been an ally of blacks, American Indians, the poor, the sick, the aged, the mentally ill, starving refugees worldwide and immigrants. He has been an outspoken liberal, unafraid to take the controversial positions—on issues such as busing, abortion, gun control, the Vietnam War (late but forcefully), the nuclear freeze and capital punishment—that other senators clearly avoided.
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DrDee said:
Explain and source your points?





Really? You really think that?
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Look at his history supporting noraid, and meeting with multiple ira scum.
Also look up his family involment in ww2 trying to prevent aid and america joining in.

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^^yeah hes with a good grp of people.

The lockerbie bomber had 277 lives on his hands, ted kennedy has 100+ on his.
He was the typical american irish, that did not live with the troubles and only saw a romantic side to that **** event.

Also it dosent matter what bills he brought in, he let a young girl die so he could save his career and got away with it because he was from a rich family.
 
dirtydog said:
So not wanting to honour someone who is anti-British, pro-IRA and helped fund the IRA, and who is responsible for a young woman's death in a car accident he failed to report until the next day because he was drunk, makes me an idiot? No, I don't think so.
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And to readdress this, without having my post (im sure correctly) deleted this time (apologies).

No, it is the fact that you claim British people don't care about it and thus is not newsworthy, when there are plenty of British people in this thread who care about it.

Never mind your ignorance in claiming he was anti-British and pro-IRA.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Look at his history supporting noraid, and meeting with multiple ira scum.
Also look up his family involment in ww2 trying to prevent aid and america joining in.

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^^yeah hes with a good grp of people.

The lockerbie bomber had 277 lives on his hands, ted kennedy has 100+ on his.
He was the typical american irish, that did not live with the troubles and only saw a romantic side to that **** event.

Also it dosent matter what bills he brought in, he let a young girl die so he could save his career and got away with it because he was from a rich family.
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I have asked you to source these statements, you are the one making them. Posting pictures of him stood next to people proves nothing other than.... he stood next to them while a photo was being taken :confused:
 
meghatronic said:
That's a nice quote, thanks.

I always thought Bono was pro-IRA, at least before "Sunday Bloody Sunday".
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He was niether for or against till the Poppy Day massacre, Pira lost a lot of support after that incident.
Except from old eddy and his boys.
 
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DrDee said:
I have asked you to source these statements, you are the one making them. Posting pictures of him stood next to people proves nothing other than.... he stood next to them while a photo was being taken :confused:
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I'll see if i can dig up the interview where he tells the british to **** off out of irealnd.
Or how about the number of Ira funnerals he attened? If that doesn't show Commitment and alligance to te ira then what the heck does.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
I'll see if i can dig up the interview where he tells the british to **** off out of irealnd.
Or how about the number of Ira funnerals he attened? If that doesn't show Commitment and alligance to te ira then what the heck does.
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OK, while you do that, ill point out how he is widely regarded as being 'instrumental' in the peace process. With that in mind, how many lives do you think he saved?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8222606.stm
 
Abraxaz1 said:
I'll see if i can dig up the interview where he tells the british to **** off out of irealnd.
Or how about the number of Ira funnerals he attened? If that doesn't show Commitment and alligance to te ira then what the heck does.
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In October 1971, Kennedy made his first speech about The Troubles in Northern Ireland: he said that "Ulster is becoming Britain's Vietnam", demanded that British troops leave Northern Ireland and demanded a united Ireland, and declared that Protestants who could not accept this "should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain".
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DrDee said:
OK, while you do that, ill point out how he is widely regarded as being 'instrumental' in the peace process. With that in mind, how many lives do you think he saved?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8222606.stm
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After he attempted every other possiblitie first, its called the final roll of the dice.
And by that point the ira were a laughing stock. they'd just lost most of their cred with librya.
The ira were also under heavy fire from america as at that point america was having its "war on drugs" and ira were earning cash and weapon's drug smuggling into america.

meghatronic said:
In October 1971, Kennedy made his first speech about The Troubles in Northern Ireland: he said that "Ulster is becoming Britain's Vietnam", demanded that British troops leave Northern Ireland and demanded a united Ireland, and declared that Protestants who could not accept this "should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain".
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Ok under that reasoning every american should leave america and give the land back to the natives, as some of these people have been in Northern irealnd for 400 years plus?
What gives a south american murdering git like him the right to tell people to leave their land if they dont wish to?

I love american hypocrisy they go on about the troubles in a country they werent born in, when the country they live in has practised widespread genocide and land stealing that makes the isrealis look like saints.
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
After he attempted every other possiblitie first, its called the final roll of the dice.
And by that point the ira were a laughing stock. they'd just lost most of their cred with librya.
The ira were also under heavy fire from america as at that point america was having its "war on drugs" and ira were earning cash and weapon's drug smuggling into america.
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Actually, when a paper-trail of funding was made law in the US, funds to IRA dried up. Or so goes the theory.

Mulder said:
To those condemning his involvement with the IRA, you realise he was "instrumental" throughout the peace process?
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He was so so soo so sooo heavily pro-Irish though. I can't see how he was so "instrumental" when he is so biased. His father was an Irish nationalist ffs!
 
I can see how, if one was inclined, one could take that quote and blow it wildly out of proportion and make it sound like he was saying something he was not.

If that is all the "he should rot in hell for helping the IRA murder people I know" crowd have, then I don't know what more else can be said because you are not worth talking to. Especially when presenting such misleading quotes.

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
 
meghatronic said:
Actually, when a paper-trail of funding was made law in the US, funds to IRA dried up. Or so goes the theory.


He was so so soo so sooo heavily pro-Irish though. I can't see how he was so "instrumental" when he is so biased. His father was an Irish nationalist ffs!
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He may have been pro Irish, but first and foremost he was pro peace and anti violence. Can you not understand that he was a long-time supporter and friend of John Hume, the nationalist leader who opposed violence, and he had no time for violent republicanism. You could at the time be both pro Irish and anti violence.
 
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Ok under that reasoning every american should leave america and give the land back to the natives, as some of these people have been in Northern irealnd for 400 years plus?
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They have? Bloody hell, didnt realise we had 400 year olds tottering about, quick someone inform the guinness book of records...:rolleyes:
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Ok under that reasoning every american should leave america and give the land back to the natives, as some of these people have been in Northern irealnd for 400 years plus?
What gives a south american murdering git like him the right to tell people to leave their land if they dont wish to?

I love american hypocrisy they go on about the troubles in a country they werent born in, when the country they live in has practised widespread genocide and land stealing that makes the isrealis look like saints.
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Not only have you made yourself look very silly, but you are useing the classic anti peace talking point of quoting the idea of a United Ireland completely out of context.
 
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