The god delusion... Religious debate

gurusan said:
Anyone who believes a literal translation/ actual account of history of the bible is a numpty. This is one of the few reasons why I believe catholicism is above all other branches of christianity.
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please tell me you didn't say that.

Catholicism is horrible butchering of the bible. As is most if not all denominations.
 
gurusan said:
umm, no....not the current one at least.
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I mean,you rate Catholicism higher than other branches of Christianity. Yet Catholicism (and, I think you mean Roman Catholicism), is bound by the Papacy, and effectively what one MORTAL MAN thinks. And usually ****** nutjobs that single-handedly have contributed to the HIV pandemic.
 
meghatronic said:
It is our purpose in as much as if you die without propagating, you leave nothing behind. Granted, this is changing (socially) in modern times, i.e. you can leave a mark without children. But you do not lead any genetic heritable traits. Therefore, by converse, you purpose is to leave a mark. Disagree with me as much as you like, it's the reason you have genitals and enjoy using them! If the point was pure pleasure, no procreation, you wouldn't fire live rounds.
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Firstly, some people don't fire live rounds - does that mean they have no reason to be alive?

And please don't bring up dictionary definitions, they're kind of useless at the moment. Seeing as your focused on living organisms , why does Earth exist? I don't see a huge wang sticking out the side.

It's too late to properly dismantle your post as you're missing the point: why is it our purpose to produce/leave a mark/whatever you want to call it? Yes, we have genitals to reproduce. We also have eyes to see and ears to hear, but the meaning of life isn't to absorb light through our retinas.
 
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Religion is a man-made, self-serving, egotistical and self-gratifying carnation. It is disgusting and while there should be freedom of speech and freedom of worship, it should be banned from schools (except for the academic study of), government and all other institutions. Churches should not receive tax breaks, either.

Religion makes a virtue out of not thinking. It is dangerous and backwards.
 
gurusan said:
Anyone who believes a literal translation/ actual account of history of the bible is a numpty. This is one of the few reasons why I believe catholicism is above all other branches of christianity.
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So it's better to merely pick and choose which bits to accept?
 
Would god exist without religion? What came first, religion or god? Is god religious and if so what do they believe in? Do other species think there is a god or only humans?

Always a big hit with the Mormons/Jehovah's door-to-door bible bashers :D
 
Hades said:
It isn't our purpose. But it is (possibly) the purpose of our genes to replicate. Humans are simply an efficient and effective way of replicating.
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Bacteria are far more effective. It's illogical to assume humans or intelligent life are the highest form: bacteria and single cell organisms are for more effective at reproducing and surviving in general. If there's ever another large scale disaster, they'll be here long after we've said our goodbyes.
 
rghjones said:
Firstly, some people don't fire live rounds - does that mean they have no reason to be alive?

And please don't bring up dictionary definitions, they're kind of useless at the moment. Seeing as your focused on living organisms , why does Earth exist? I don't see a huge wang sticking out the side.

It's too late to properly dismantle your post as you're missing the point: why is it our purpose to produce/leave a mark/whatever you want to call it? Yes, we have genitals to reproduce. We also have eyes to see and ears to hear, but the meaning of life isn't to absorb light through our retinas.
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Biologically, yes. They are aberrations, rejects if you will. Same for homosexuals. BIOLOGICALLY.

The Earth doesn't need a reason to exist - it exists. It is inanimate (for the most part :p). We are a consequence of its existence. Whilst we don't need a reason (actually), we have one. The Earth also has one inasmuch as it sustains us.

You don't create offspring through absorption of light. Unless you're really, really, really fertile.

rghjones said:
Bacteria are far more effective. It's illogical to assume humans or intelligent life are the highest form: bacteria and single cell organisms are for more effective at reproducing and surviving in general. If there's ever another large scale disaster, they'll be here long after we've said our goodbyes.
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Bacteria are several orders of magnitude less complex than us. So this is why our efficiency is stunted.
 
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If you just look at how this thread has progressed... It's interesting to see how fast it accelerates and gets out of hand etc :D

Though in fairness most of you are playing nice. Shows how much of a touchy and emotional subject it is with people!
 
rghjones said:
Bacteria are far more effective. It's illogical to assume humans or intelligent life are the highest form: bacteria and single cell organisms are for more effective at reproducing and surviving in general. If there's ever another large scale disaster, they'll be here long after we've said our goodbyes.
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True, but thats why darwins theory is gold. Survival of the species, caused us.
If the world was such a harmony, then we'd probably just be a giant planet of algae, but its not, and as such we fight an adapt to own a bit of it, its all a massive chaos.
 
ChroniC said:
True, but thats why darwins theory is gold. Survival of the species, caused us.
If the world was such a harmony, then we'd probably just be a giant planet of algae, but its not, and as such we fight an adapt to own a bit of it, its all a massive chaos.
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Well, chaos is biology defined (high entropy). Equilibrium = death.



Richeh said:
I personally don't believe in God and think that religion is the root of all evil :)
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If not religion, it'd be something else. And looking to poverty, I'd say money is more of a root. Or maybe women :D
 
manic111 said:
So it's better to merely pick and choose which bits to accept?
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It's better to interpret what you can from an oldass book (which does have value) in its own historical context. Which is what most of the catholic religion does, specifically the Dominican order. Their method of worship is basically study and knowledge.

Personally I think the teachings of Jesus are basically an ideal moral basis for our lives. I don't believe he was the son of god however, or pretty much any of the other stuff in the bible. I also believe that people can learn and practice decent morals without knowing of Christ, I mean morals are a human thing and we are all humans after all.

The danger in religion is misinterpretation and more importantly forcing your interpretations on others through violence.

For the record I am between agnostic and athiest....
 
meghatronic said:
The Earth doesn't need a reason to exist - it exists. It is inanimate (for the most part :p). We are a consequence of its existence.
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Again this depends on your definition of life, which is why I hate dictionaries being thrown around. If you just look at what makes us alive, then Earth (or any other planet) is as living as we are: it grows, changes shape, breathes, changes temperature and moves.

The only difference is it doesn't think, but then the majority of life on Earth doesn't either (that we know of, again, what is 'thinking'). Hell, Earth might even react in the same way a plant reacts to light and resources.

There's a song with pretty terrible lyrics and a cringe-worthy metaphor but the logic is sound, and it goes something like this: If a butterfly, which only lives for a day, landed on a tree and you asked it if the tree was alive, it would say "No, I've been here my whole life and it hasn't done a thing". The same goes for humans/Earth.
 
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gurusan said:
Personally I think the teachings of Jesus are basically an ideal moral basis for our lives. I don't believe he was the son of god however, or pretty much any of the other stuff in the bible. I also believe that people can learn and practice decent morals without knowing of Christ, I mean morals are a human thing and we are all humans after all.
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We have evolved the ability to live together and socialize. We have evolved 'morals'. We don't need a storybook to teach them to us.
 
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