Six months in jail for a drunken grope?

Namak · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:31

Orcish-Horde said:
If their skirt was half way up their arses to start with, I would not be to slow in pointing that out to them. If woman don't what advances they should not dress in a manor that invites them. If bending over opens the up grand canyon and you don't what people to explore its depths, wear a Hoover dam or a longer skirt.

Well you winked so I hope that was slightly tongue in cheek. It might not be sensible or classy girls should be able to wear skimpy clothes without fearing sexual assault

djmc0 · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:42

Happy said:
I couldn't care less if he was drunk, (it's no excuse) so I view it the same as if he wasn't drunk. I fail to see how people can fail to controls themselves when they're drunk, everybody makes a tit of themselves but there's a line.

Completely agreed. I am a big ( I say big, I mean a regular abuser) abuser of alcohol, but the last thought on my mind would be to touch a girl up that didn't want to be touched up. And before you ask, I am awasy in control of my faculties.

Happy · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:45

djmc0 said:
Completely agreed. I am a big abuser of alcohol, but the last thought on my mind would be touch a girl up that didn't want to be touched up. And before you ask, I am awasy in control of my faculties.

Exactly, your sloshed but you know should what's right or wrong. If not then, you shouldn't be drinking excessively/at all. As was mentioned by ethan, people seem to use it as an excuse and blame/hide behind it :mad:

Sime · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:46

Theres a lesson to be learnt here...

Dont grope women.

I'll remember that one...

Jono8 · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:50

Sime said:
Theres a lesson to be learnt here...

Dont grope women.

I'll remember that one...

your never gonna have much fun then...

mmj_uk · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:50

No worries they'll just release some murderer or rapist early to make room for him.

antijoke · 1 Sep 2009 at 20:54

The Star....hmmmmm.

chaparral · 1 Sep 2009 at 21:47

Sime said:
Theres a lesson to be learnt here...

Dont grope women.

I'll remember that one...

So your going grope men instead

Doctor_Zhivago · 1 Sep 2009 at 21:54

"Shabab Ramzan" surpise surpise...
I be she be voting BNP now

Energize · 1 Sep 2009 at 22:48

The sex offenders register is a national joke anyway, it serves no purpose and is full of irrelevant offences.

^TANK^ · 1 Sep 2009 at 22:49

djmc0 said:
Completely agreed. I am a big ( I say big, I mean a regular abuser) abuser of alcohol, but the last thought on my mind would be to touch a girl up that didn't want to be touched up. And before you ask, I am always in control of my faculties.

HangTime · 1 Sep 2009 at 22:54

Take the word "drunken" out of the thread title and does it really sound that harsh?

Personally I believe that people have to take responsibility for their actions and being drunk is no excuse for criminal behaviour.

Von Smallhausen · 1 Sep 2009 at 22:59

Energize said:
The sex offenders register is a national joke anyway, it serves no purpose and is full of irrelevant offences.

May I ask what you base this on and by whose standards is it a joke ?

Also, do you have access to it to make an informed comment ?

deuse · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:01

Sorry I only got as far as his name "Shabab Ramzan" and I can't stop laughing for some reason

Energize · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:07

Von Smallhausen said:
May I ask what you base this on and by whose standards is it a joke ?

It's purpose is to protect people from sexual offences, which could simply be done by going down to the police station with the person who wants to move in with you and saying, show me this persons criminal record.

Von Smallhausen · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:18

So what if someone is released from prison after serving 10 years for the systematic rape of children ?

Should he be free to live where he pleases, perhaps near to a school, without having to resgister his address with the police and be monitored by the PPU ?

I do not give you a scaremongering scenario here. I am giving you one of fact.

To comment on your post a persons criminal record, more so sex crimes, is priviledged and highly sensitive information and should not be released as freely as your post suggests.

Energize · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:24

Von Smallhausen said:
So what if someone is released from prison after serving 10 years for the systematic rape of children ?

Should he be free to live where he pleases, perhaps near to a school, without having to resgister his address with the police and be monitored by the PPU ?

Yes, once someone has served their time they should be free. They should not be released from prison if they are considered a threat to others. However there is no real evidence to show that external controls like sex offence registers are effective in preventing re-offences anyway (Gabbard's treatments of psychiatric disorders, p664).

To comment on your post a persons criminal record, more so sex crimes, is priviledged and highly sensitive information and should not be released as freely as your post suggests.

It's upto them if they want to give someone else their criminal record.

D D Danneh · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:32

Happy said:
I couldn't care less if he was drunk, (it's no excuse) so I view it the same as if he wasn't drunk. I fail to see how people can fail to controls themselves when they're drunk, everybody makes a tit of themselves but there's a line.

What what? Who said anything about being drunk? It's not acceptable, drunk or not, but it's a bit far to ruin someone's life over touching someone else's leg. I don't see anything wrong with the 6 months jail time, but putting him on the sex offenders register effectively denies him a job. People read that and immediately think "paedophile/rapist", and nobody wants to employ them.

But without all the details, like I said, it's hard to judge. I'm assuming he touched her leg, since there's no way he could feel up her pasty without touching her leg, especially if she was sat down, but he could have been quite violent and had a good grope. On the other hand, she could be overreacting and making a big fuss out of nothing.

Of course he shouldn't have done it either way, I just think labeling him as a sex offender for 7 years is a bit harsh.

Happy · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:37

D D Danneh said:
But without all the details, like I said, it's hard to judge. I'm assuming he touched her leg, since there's no way he could feel up her pasty without touching her leg, especially if she was sat down, but he could have been quite violent and had a good grope. On the other hand, she could be overreacting and making a big fuss out of nothing.

Fair enough, the latter part would be harsh, but as you said we don't know the details. I was just having a rant I suppose about how people somehow feel they can blame being intoxicated for their actions.

D D Danneh · 1 Sep 2009 at 23:39

Happy said:
Fair enough, the latter part would be harsh, but as you said we don't know the details. I was just having a rant I suppose about how people somehow feel they can blame being intoxicated for their actions.

Ah. Yeah I agree with you there, being drunk is no excuse. You choose to get drunk, you choose to face any consequences.

Von Smallhausen said:
So what if someone is released from prison after serving 10 years for the systematic rape of children ?

Should he be free to live where he pleases, perhaps near to a school, without having to resgister his address with the police and be monitored by the PPU ?

Energize said:
Yes, once someone has served their time they should be free. They should not be released from prison if they are considered a threat to others.

That's a tough one. Like Energize says, they shouldn't be released if they are still deemed a threat, but people can, and do still re-offend. In an extreme case like multiple child rape, I personally think the don't swear. FF. should never be released, whether he "reforms" or not, but if he were to be released, he definitely should be monitored.