Student kills intruder with samurai sword

It was fater that dude went into a church with a sword and killed a few people. yeh balem the sword, he wasn't crazy at all.:rolleyes:


This is one thing I hate about the UK.

If someone is in my house without my permission I will defend myself from them.

Are you supposed to walk up to them and say, excuse me can you plase put my TV down and take a seat while I call the police?

no way, I would go in all guns blazing until they were twitching on the floor.

Why should I even risk myself or my familys safety at all when this person has already broken the law by entering my house?

The police don't stop crimes occuring they can only clean up the mess, a bit late once my wife and kids are dead.
 
I agree with philjohn, it's all well and good cheering the guy but he'll probably have some issues to work through after what he's done. Justified or not, it's not something many people could live with easily, especially as it happened in his own home. I feel sorry for both of them, personally I've no idea what I'd do in the circumstances, I don't think my TV, PC etc are worth a life though, no matter who's it is.

Self defense though - anything can happen, like most OCUK folk I'd do anything to protect friends and family in my own home.
 
I'd love to see the end verdict since i own a samurai sword also, it's a replica one from the movie the last samurai but i had it sharpened, i would like to know my rights.
 
Seems a little curious to me that an intruder would lunge at someone with a samurai sword but given the lack of detail in the report and the fact that I wasn't there I can't say with any degree of certainty that it didn't happen.

I'd be interested as to why he had the sword in the first place, whether it was for a martial arts purpose or not but really it makes little odds here.

Not incidentally but is no-one outraged that the student is still being held while police are investigating? I seem to recall from the last thread along similar lines that there was at least one member who was certain that the police should release any homeowner in broadly analogous circumstances.

//edit and as to if it constitutes self-defence - that would really depend on whether the student had a reasonable belief that he was in danger prima facie he probably did although then the question is if the sword was part of a reasonable response and the answer is that it could well be.
 
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That reminds me, I need to purchase a sword and have a convenient display cabinet above my bed :)
 
Moses99p said:
When do people get in trouble after defending themselves after being lunged at? I can only recall cases where a farmer shot someone in the back as he was running away, and another where a father went back inside, got a knife, then came out and started a bit of the stabby stabby (the latter is a vague recollection). I really don't think people will get in trouble if they defend themselves in their own home... the problem comes if they go Rambo, or hunt down a fleeing robber.
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That's the difference though. Someone defending themselves consciously has their attacker facing them and stops defending when the attacker turns away. It becomes assault when the attacker starts to flee and the defender keeps "defending". The "defender" stabs the "attacker" 20 times... overkill? perhaps - but a large percentage of the population will not be used to the adrenaline high and will act on their base instincts rather than reasoned judgement.
 
I would've carved the intruder up like a turkey too if he/she lunged at me in the dark. What else could you do? It's pretty frightening to have an intruder in the house and you only think of your own and your family's welfare.
 
a friend of mine killed a burglar with a kitchen knife. came home to find the backdoor off with the sound of his young kids screaming in the background. he grabbed the knife and as he made his way to stairs mr career burglar scumbag confronts him with a crowbar in his hand, you can imagine what happened next.

luckily his kids and girlfriend were ok, but in the end my friend got 5 years for manslaughter from the old bailey. i think any man would do what he did if they was in his shoes.
 
ShaolinDreams said:
a friend of mine killed a burglar with a kitchen knife. came home to find the backdoor off with the sound of his young kids screaming in the background. he grabbed the knife and as he made his way to stairs mr career burglar scumbag confronts him with a crowbar in his hand, you can imagine what happened next.

luckily his kids and girlfriend were ok, but in the end my friend got 5 years for manslaughter from the old bailey. i think any man would do what he did if they was in his shoes.
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Got a reference for this? Even a news article? I'm curious to know what exactly came up in the court case.
 
sr4470 said:
Got a reference for this? Even a news article? I'm curious to know what exactly came up in the court case.
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it was a few years ago but was on news. im on my psp so i cant surf the web properly, but if look search something like "scottish man kills burglar in tottenham manslaughter" you should find something.
 
A Samurai sword should be enough to get a burglar to stop moving. If the burglar ran away, again its wrong.

Only time it would be justified imo opinion would be if the burglar did lunge at the student. The student could easily make that bit up under the advice of a lawyer. I'm sure forensic scientists will work it out.
 
ShaolinDreams said:
a friend of mine killed a burglar with a kitchen knife. came home to find the backdoor off with the sound of his young kids screaming in the background. he grabbed the knife and as he made his way to stairs mr career burglar scumbag confronts him with a crowbar in his hand, you can imagine what happened next.

luckily his kids and girlfriend were ok, but in the end my friend got 5 years for manslaughter from the old bailey. i think any man would do what he did if they was in his shoes.
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Depends entirely on what that means. I think its safe to say most burglars have no intention if killing or seriously hurting someone.
 
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ShaolinDreams said:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2224O65
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guy got what he deserved though. see if the superman movies were never released, people would still be defending themselves, not like some of the posts on this defending the burglar lol. that really does sadden me. really does.

how can you say a burglar goes in without intent to hurt someone, they go in with intent to steal and if that means hurting someone then so be it - do you honestly believe they have some sort of code of conduct on burglary? they aren't ****ing santa clause, their ronald mcdonalds nemesis.

I grew up with a guy for 18 years of my life only for him to turn around and steal my car for no reason knowing full well it was mine even when I caught him in my car and cornered him he still ran away despite me already calling the cops and knowing where him and his chav friends lived. Think he cared about any rules? I say "get your head out of your ***" to anyone that actually thinks you have no right to defend yourself or your belongings.
 
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