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I just found this really sad
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Soldato
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I never suggested otherwise.
And your statement about disabled kids getting bullied at school is a bit of a sweeping generalisation, kids get bullied for a number of reasons, not just because they are disabled, and from my own personal experiences I saw very little bullying, quite the opposite in fact, where those able bodied people would go and "sort out" anyone picking on the disabled child I looked after.
Yeah but my brother has aspergers and (secondary) school was probably the worst place for that although admittedly that was in part due to how autism manifests itself in an individual's behaviour which obviously makes them stand out. I agree though that kids get bullied for who or what they are regardless, disability or not.
Expecting some chav's or whatever to behave with some common decency is simply a stretch too far. At least we've moved on from institutionalised discrimination and it's 'merely' a social issue now.
Ahaha, I was about to pick up on that too.
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Just to make this clear, this is not a thread suitable for poor humour.
I've thought about it, and yes you're right, my last sentence was a bit unfair, I guess I just react emotionally due to it being an issue so close to my heart.
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As somebody who has had two disabilities since birth (so for 34 years) I can say that is a crock of ****. Mostly people with disabilities are still treated as second class citizens andoften their conditions are not catered for or are seen as less than they are.
As for the new story that Knip has quoted it is a massive tragedy and it is a shame that it had to end that way.
It would have been far better for society if she had set the dumb ass bottom feeding gits who tormented them on fire. It is about time society cracked down on the feral kids on our streets. And as a firm believer in human rights I for once am going to say screw the feral kids human rights. My human rights as an upstandin citizen outweighs these scumbags.
I disagree. She'd complained to the police about bullying and they had done nothing. The police and the bullies are culpable as well.
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So she murdered her daughter and committed suicide?
Sounds like the logical thing to do.
There were many choices open to her and her child other than police action and loss of life.
Under those circumstances logic can cease to operate, so it's not entirely fair to criticise her for that failing. It's easy to be cold and rational when it's not happening to you.
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I'll be honest, I'm not the most emotional of people. I can tell you one thing though: I can think of no likely circumstances where I would murder my own 18 year old son/daughter. Did she just think that her daughter's life was not worth living? If so it's a terribly selfish way of going about things.
You know, maybe deciding what clothes her daughter was going to wear, what to feed her for dinner or what shampoo to use is ok, it's the kind of decision we're all capable of making. But to decide that your daughter should die? It's something that you might want to consult with someone else about or at least check yourself into a mental hospital.
I understand that it can be hard to cope with adversity in the community and it can be extremely hard bringing up someone who is disabled. Obviously her daily routine was a lot different to mine and probably took a lot more hard work and perseverance.
But that really comes down to two factors:
SHE couldn't cope any more, in which case she was incredibly selfish to take her daughter's life because of her weakness, she could have given her daughter to someone that would care for her and then gone and committed suicide if she so wished.
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SHE DECIDED her daughter's life was not worth living, taking it upon herself to end her child's life. An extreme position which is one that should not be undertaken by an individual especially an individual that is in close proximity to all of this adversity and discrimination.
One should have the presence of mind to think "hey you know, maybe I'm being a bit emotional, maybe this decision should not be mine alone because I am too emotionally involved". Unless you think it's ok for people to just decide who's life is worth living and who's isn't I certainly do not, under similar circumstances.
And what it all comes down to is the problem of emotion, because there is nothing logical about what she did it was all emotional. Maybe that's human nature, it definitely seems to be, so maybe we should not blame her and say "she's only human". Should we not strive for more?
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No, seeing how many will never even be in the position to make such a decision. It's pointless judging her now anyway.
What? Where did I say we had utopia? Obviously there can be improvement but to suggest things aren't better is utterly ridiculous. And I'm talking about the benefits for severely disabled people, the type that can't feed themselves or have to take drugs to keep their emotions balanced. Obviously I can't speak for your personal circumstance but I never pretended to. And I've already mentioned the discrimination problem is more of a social issue and is less at an institutional level (i.e. schools catering for those with learning disabilities).
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