Best Sound card for listening to music?

Adam A5's or A7's are the monitors I was talking about.

I know what you mean about smiling.
When you listen to a well recorded track on a revealing nearfield system.
The things you hear that most hifi's don't unearth can be amazing although a rough recording can be painful.

I like the idea of the ribbon tweeters on the Adams to give that life like quality to voices. It's the little nuances and half sounds just as people utter the words in a song that can really give you that sense of being there.

The other problem I have is that I like to extend down into the bass end of strings and this tends to mean a sub woofer when you are using small accurate monitors.

How are the Genelecs for extended listening, do they get fatiguing at the top end at all?
 
I know what you mean about smiling.

Smilings good ;)

As for the Genelecs - no. Wharfedales - yes!

The Genelecs are simply the most gorgeous near-fields I have ever heard hence why I bought them. Around the 14kHz region on most Wharfedales sounds too pronounced to my ears. But obviously I am comparing two totally different kind of speaker. With the Genelecs, again, they sound more natural but they do not lose 'excitement' through their punchy ness and overall accuracy. I haven't seen the frequency response graph on them for a while so I can't remember what kind of curve they have but I would imagine its very subtle.
 
Well unfortunately I have a standing wave of around 60Hz in my control room which I am about to fix so I would not be able to tell you. Once I have some bass traps up I might be in a better position to judge.

The problem with Genelecs is that they sound SO good that it can be a bit of a task mixing on them! As everything just sounds awesome!

Best to pair em up with something like the Yamaha NS10s just so you have a 'crap' point of reference.
Cheers, sounds like I need to audition a pair, along with the Mackies. :) At the moment I'm usnig Event TR8's which are more of a budget monitor, and while they are ok, things tend to a little crazy at 2.6 Khz where the crossover is despite being bi-amped like the genelecs... With the sort of music I make tho, I need the bass to sound good down to 40Hz minimum...

I have plenty of other NS10 systems for comparison, from battery powered boomboxes to midi hifi speakers wired up to tripath amps, and this can be great fun trying out different rooms as well as different soundsystems...

Bathroom = reverb central! :D
 
I had a pair of Mackie HR824s is it or 624s? I can't remember anyhow they sounded alright but very 'smiley'. Definately a boost at 100hz and 12-14kHz. Very Hi-Fi sounding.
 
I know this topic has been quiet for a while, and i can see the argument of accuracy v enhanced surround, but in my case i have a very good speaker/ amp setup ,yamaha rx v1900 amp, pb10 sub and svs 7.1 speakers, obviously a home theatre rather then pure music.
But i have all my music ripped to a music pc usally as mp3 at a bitrate of 320 and want to get a sound card to do it justice, i'm currently using a prelude 7.1 which upmixes to dts.and i dont have to worry about volume restrictions as my neighbours arnt close enough to hear.

I used to use a xonar 1.3 in my media pc but finaly gave up on it due to the rubbish drivers, channel mismatch issues and blocking 24hz playback so gave it away which has put me off asus.

However, i want to get the best music sound for my system and want to hear any recommendations from people with similer amp/ speaker setups as i cant decide between using a xonar which may suit a 7.1 system v'rs a dac which provides accuracy
 
Just been reading over this thread again. Hughythomas, would you recommend the M-AUDIO Audiophile 2496 over the Xonar Essence ST?

After doing a lot of reading ive come to the conclusion that the best soundcard for stereo listening is the Xonar Essence ST and the best for surround is the Xonar hdav1.3. This is also taking into account DACs that are in a similar price range (around £150)
 
Just been reading over this thread again. Hughythomas, would you recommend the M-AUDIO Audiophile 2496 over the Xonar Essence ST?

After doing a lot of reading ive come to the conclusion that the best soundcard for stereo listening is the Xonar Essence ST and the best for surround is the Xonar hdav1.3. This is also taking into account DACs that are in a similar price range (around £150)

If you only include retail DACs then Xonars probably are better, due to the huge mark up hifi companies put on their kit. Though if you include Chinese import DACs i think you'll find it'll swing back in DACs favor, things like the Zero, Aune and Valab NOS, which shoot well above their price compared to gear from big hifi companies.
 
good man! In all fairness I don't have enough experience of the X-Fi to make a valid judgement it does sound good for the cash. I got the audio one and for £30 its not bad at all but the crystalizer is just a joke to anyone like me, who works in audio!

Have to agree on the point on the crystallizer it's a bad implementation of bad tech (I'm also ex-music industry - though my experience is remixing and studio/live work)

For general use I would recommend the Xonar over the X-Fi any day - though for pure clarity I would recommend to take a bitstream from the PC and do all conversion on a dedicated external DAC (am lucky enough to have a original PT modified Cambridge Audio Dacmagic 2 doing the working in my Hi-Fi system)
 
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RE something mentioned above - the extreme music is a proper X-Fi chip - if you were lucky like me and got one early* on they actually have XRAM on them as well. Its the Extreme Audio thats based on the Audigy chip.

Theres no compromise if your into your gaming - the X-Fi is the best hands down... crystallizer can even be useful maybe for gaming... tho deff. don't reccomend it for music.

For music tho its hard to beat the Xonar - unless you spend out hundreds. - TBH tho theres not really _that_ much difference between the xonar and the xtreme music but the xonar does have a more natural and richer sound - the x-fi tends to sound a little bit clinical "processed" even with all enhancements off - a bit like comparing old tube amps to modern day ones really heh.




* I think the early ones used higher quality parts as well - mine has a much better sound than some of the ones I've heard more recently.
 
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Theres no compromise if your into your gaming - the X-Fi is the best hands down... crystallizer can even be useful maybe for gaming... tho deff. don't reccomend it for music.

For music tho its hard to beat the Xonar - unless you spend out hundreds. - TBH tho theres not really _that_ much difference between the xonar and the xtreme music but the xonar does have a more natural and richer sound - the x-fi tends to sound a little bit clinical "processed" even with all enhancements off - a bit like comparing old tube amps to modern day ones really heh.

I am also thinking of getting a Xonar for a pair of 595's at the same time. I (like many here) game AND play music. Now 595's don't have any dolby surround so, what is the best choice? Also if there has been a chip change in the Xfi does that mean that the the xonar is the way to go. I am not spending huge sums for a DAC ... Also is the xonar poor for gaming?
 
Also if there has been a chip change in the Xfi does that mean that the the xonar is the way to go. I am not spending huge sums for a DAC ... Also is the xonar poor for gaming?

From what ive read the xonar isnt poor for gaming. My choice would be sticking with my audigy2zs and getting a Beresford 7520 or selling the audigy/giving it to my mate and getting an Xonar Essence ST

This threads answer must be

'Asus Xonar Essence ST' (non surround)
'Asus Xonar hdav1.3 deluxe (surround)

However lets continue it as DACs have more to offer in terms of music, even though the majority cost more
 
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Whats the price of the Zero, Aune and Valab NOS? I was thinking more on the lines of the Beresford Caiman

They're all at about 100 quid.

Personally i think i'm gonna get an Aune, it has one feature that most of them don't: analogue input, i'ld like to try it as a standalone amp with a turntable in the future.
 
They're all at about 100 quid.

Personally i think i'm gonna get an Aune, it has one feature that most of them don't: analogue input, i'ld like to try it as a standalone amp with a turntable in the future.

I can see the Aune is £100 on the bay. Do you think this would be better than an essence ST soundcard?

I think i would probably go with a 7520 mainly for the portability as it can be used outside of pc. so...

£130 for an ST
£150 for 7520 but then need cables?

How do i connect my audigy to the 7520 then to amp? Here is the back of it -
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Just a word of warning. Seen quite a few reviews saying people don't rate the headphone amp on the 7520. You might need to budget for that too.
 
Just a word of warning. Seen quite a few reviews saying people don't rate the headphone amp on the 7520. You might need to budget for that too.

Yeh, ive read that too. My marantz amp has a headphone port on it anyway. Is the volume control on the 7520 just used for the headphone port?

Anyone know how to connect my amp and soundcard to it?
 
Personally I'd say if you do any real gaming - especially using CMSS-3D or other surround type options theres no real alternative to an X-Fi...

I can't really explain the difference and I'm not saying the Xonar is bad for gaming as such... but play games like Left 4 Dead and Batman AA on a realtek HD, Xonar and an X-Fi with the right setup and you'd have no doubts.
 
Personally I'd say if you do any real gaming - especially using CMSS-3D or other surround type options theres no real alternative to an X-Fi...

I don't really game on my pc. Maybe an hour a week

I can't really explain the difference and I'm not saying the Xonar is bad for gaming as such... but play games like Left 4 Dead and Batman AA on a realtek HD, Xonar and an X-Fi with the right setup and you'd have no doubts.

I dont understand, you say the Xonar is bad for gaming then say 'Xonar and an X-Fi with the right setup and you'd have no doubts'

Where does realtek HD come into it?

I want a card/DAC for music
 
What he's saying is there are some gaming features that only work on X-Fi. It's not just CMSS-3D and EAX. MacroFX and Elevation filter come into it too.

IMO for gaming X-Fi is top of the pile. Xonar is second - I'd say closer than Rroff is indicating. Then I'd say audigy 2 to 4 and the kneecapped X-Fi variants. Then Audigy LE. Everything else is roughly equally bad.
 
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