I had a go at some kid in the street

kgi said:
Yes it will - it's "fixing broken windows" theory, and we don't need to wait until things get insufferable to do something about it. There is no reason to tolerate poor behaviour from anyone or any kind of anti-social behaviour just because 'it's not that bad yet'.
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Its not about tolerating it, its just about recognising that it really isn't that important. Some kid littering will not lead to anything near the faintest resemblance of a social breakdown.

We are not responsible as individuals if all our waste does not get treated in a responsible waste
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And I'm not responsible for another individual's behaviour. ;)
 
Ok so let me get the OP right,

12 Year old kid drops some litter,

OP mans up and asks him to pick it up

Kid picks it up without giving back chat

OP still judges all kids as potential trouble and returns to keyboard for another warrior session. Or am I missing something.

Get a grip for gods sake. Ever think that Part of the reason kids are the way they are nowadays is because some adults really don't know how to communicate with them without having a go at them.
 
so I've hidden the car.
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Where is the car headin' right now?


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It's made of magic, and with a little flip


Yeah, yeah, yeah, the car is back

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What did it see in the parallel dimension?

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Chimerical said:
Its not about tolerating it, its just about recognising that it really isn't that important. Some kid littering will not lead to anything near the faintest resemblance of a social breakdown.
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You're actually very wrong, the zero tolerance approach in New York showed that by aggressively tackling what are considered minor offences you reduce overall crime levels across the board. As kgi says it's the fixing broken windows theory; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows
 
Good on you `Merlin5`. You asked him politely and he responded. Good result.
If only everyone would do that, treat him with a certain amount of authority and `respect`. Maybe one day he`ll understand that what he was doing wasn't big and clever, and that real `respect` can be obtained by being a decent bloke, not this pathetic version of modern `respect` that kids think can only be earned by being thuggish t**ts.
 
Yeah well, the OP is nothing...

The other day, a 10 year old girl was in a shop and said to the shopkeep:

"Can I have that bar of chocolate?"

I gave her a stern look and said to her....

"Pleeeaaaase???"

She looked sheepish and said the shopkeeper:

"Please!"


Yeah that told her, be proud internet chums, for I am teaching the youth of today some manners. She sure got told she dids...
 
bam0 said:
You're actually very wrong, the zero tolerance approach in New York showed that by aggressively tackling what are considered minor offences you reduce overall crime levels across the board. As kgi says it's the fixing broken windows theory; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows
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Yet in that link it says this:

"...social science has not been kind to the broken windows theory. A number of scholars reanalyzed the initial studies that appeared to support it ... Others pressed forward with new, more sophisticated studies of the relationship between disorder and crime. The most prominent among them concluded that the relationship between disorder and serious crime is modest, and even that relationship is largely an artifact of more fundamental social forces."
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Tefal said:
Am i the only one who came in here expecting a tale of the OP hitting on a small child with a cheesy chat up line?


I think the internet has warped my mind :(
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I didn't, but I did expect more than "kid drops coke can, kid get's asked to pick up coke can, kid picks up coke can", why do people think that we need to know the inane details of every boring thing they do?
 
Chimerical said:
Its not about tolerating it, its just about recognising that it really isn't that important. Some kid littering will not lead to anything near the faintest resemblance of a social breakdown.
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Au contraire, it is important. It's about behaviour and showing respect to your environment - and that is important. As it is important not to push people on the tube or not groping women. These things are not going to lead to social breakdown as you put it, still they are important for the society to function as a whole across the board. Please read the broken window theory I mentioned if you have time, it is an interesting read and has some good arguments.

Chimerical said:
And I'm not responsible for another individual's behaviour. ;)
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Well yes and no. Responsible for their behaviour, no you are not. You are responsible for protecting and caring for your environment. When it comes to minors you are responsible as an adult to steer them to behave correctly as they are not mature enough to understand what they are doing is wrong. If you see a child smoking or prostituting will you not act simply because you are not responsible for their behaviour? If you see a house broken into you will not call the police because you are not responsible for their behaviour? I am not saying all these things are equal in their severity, it's just the attitude that has to be right and consistent I think. I do feel that we are responsible for instructing others on the right behaviour when we can, especially minors.
 
lucasade1 said:
Trust the usual
"ITS ONLY A COKE CAN"
"I WOULDNT POST ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET LOL" brigade to come steaming in. This is a discussion board, and let's be honest it doesn't take a genius to find a worse thread, i could probably find 10 on the first page of GD.

Well done OP, if only more people would stand up to people like this. If you actually confront some of these oxygen thieves behaviour they will back down.
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+1
 
kgi said:
Au contraire, it is important. It's about behaviour and showing respect to your environment - and that is important. As it is important not to push people on the tube or not groping women. These things are not going to lead to social breakdown as you put it, still they are important for the society to function as a whole across the board. Please read the broken window theory I mentioned if you have time, it is an interesting read and has some good arguments.
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I read what was in the link, it didn't convince me to be honest and pretty much confirmed my disbelief in such a theory.

Well yes and no. Responsible for their behaviour, no you are not. You are responsible for protecting and caring for your environment. When it comes to minors you are responsible as an adult to steer them to behave correctly as they are not mature enough to understand what they are doing is wrong. If you see a child smoking or prostituting will you not act simply because you are not responsible for their behaviour?
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If I saw a child smoking of, say, 12 I would do nothing about it. Plenty of kids smoked at school all the time and within the school grounds even and it never bothered me then. Its a conscious decision that they're making and I don't see what it has to do with me.

Child prositution is something else entirely and I can't see how that's even comparable. For one thing, they'll be doing against their will, there is obvious harm being caused and its a matter for the Police to deal with (who I'd call). However, its not something I've ever had the misfortune to see and if it were that out in the open, i.e. on a street corner, I don't see how it wouldn't get reported. This is all irrelevent though as you're now connecting disorder to serious crime.

If you see a house broken into you will not call the police because you are not responsible for their behaviour? I am not saying all these things are equal in their severity, it's just the attitude that has to be right and consistent I think. I do feel that we are responsible for instructing others on the right behaviour when we can, especially minors.
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Again, connecting disorder to serious crime.
 
The OP did the right thing by telling the kid to pick it up. But what i don't understand is why he's calling this kid a chav etc? The kid picked up the can and walked on. If it had been a chav you'd have got told to "**** off mate" and then had a brick through your window at 2am.
 
Gaygle said:
The OP did the right thing by telling the kid to pick it up. But what i don't understand is why he's calling this kid a chav etc? The kid picked up the can and walked on. If it had been a chav you'd have got told to "**** off mate" and then had a brick through your window at 2am.
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My point exactly.
 
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