UK government to get tough on file-sharers

The target audience for porn (pretty much any porn that isn't niche) is obviously tiny? :confused:
ofcourse it is , not many people buy it or even admit to watching it.

i bet only a small fraction of this forum has ever purchased a porn film and it was probably just the one.

where as mainstream movies have a massive global audience they should be able to evolve like the other adult area of the film industry have.
 
probably for a low budget porno, the famous stars earn over 100k per movie.

I find that highly doubtful to be honest unless they work on a long term royalty basis. The porn industry picks up young women and chews them up and spits them out very quickly. Very few make it past a few films and if those fees were being demanded there would always be someone who is a stunner and can be paid to have sex for less.
 
I find that highly doubtful to be honest unless they work on a long term royalty basis. The porn industry picks up young women and chews them up and spits them out very quickly. Very few make it past a few films and if those fees were being demanded there would always be someone who is a stunner and can be paid to have sex for less.

Dude, there are porn superstars, trust me. And they get paid very good money.

Oddly, Pirates 2: Stagnetti's Revenge is the most expensive porno ever made. I can't get the figures at work, but feel free to google it.
 
Ah this old argument.

All I say is this. If tomorrow I invent a device to copy a physical entity (not just digital) and I go find the closest Ferrari, copy it, then drive it off home I am committing a crime?

I can afford it.
I do not really want to buy one but would not say no to one if offered.
It's not a neccesity nor a NEED.

So what are you going to do me for, copy write infringement?

What if say, for arguments sake. I have the time, money and resources to copy a produced film, in its entirety, precisely, for myself. Do I get done for copy-write infringement?

It is a victimless "crime". If it was such a huge issue the film and music industry would be on its knees and unable to support itself and this is clearly not the case. People still buy music, people still go to the cinema, buy DVDs, BluRays.

It is nothing but greed that makes piracy out to be the biggest and horrendous crime that MUST STOP. As has been mentioned many many times - Streamable and downloaded content delivery for fair pricing is the solution.
 
Dude, there are porn superstars, trust me. And they get paid very good money.

Oddly, Pirates 2: Stagnetti's Revenge is the most expensive porno ever made. I can't get the figures at work, but feel free to google it.

No.2 - Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge

Budget: $8 million

No.1 - Caligula

Budget: $17.5 million (1979)

The acting in porn movies is pretty cheesy, right? Not in Caligula, a 1979 film whose makers cracked open the piggy bank to hire a real Hollywood crew, including Oscar Award winning actress, :eek:Helen Mirren:eek:. Needless to say, she raised a lot of eyebrows when she accepted this role.

The plot is about a perverted Roman Emperor and the action sequences include hardcore orgies. No wonder the uncensored version was banned. The good news is that the uncut version is finally on sale, just 29 years later.


never heard of that but aparently it was classed as a porn movie :O
 
Ah this old argument.

All I say is this. If tomorrow I invent a device to copy a physical entity (not just digital) and I go find the closest Ferrari, copy it, then drive it off home I am committing a crime?
Yes.

Did you design the Ferrari? Could you? No. Someone else (well lots of people) with expertise, flair and the necessary engineering skills designed and built it, and you just made a copy of it and therefore deemed the creators effort as being worthless, despite the fact your cloned Ferrari was important enough to you to warrant copying in the first place. The fact you could copy it so easily doesn't alter the fact that it wouldn't exist in the first place without someone elses considerable effort, and they deserve to be paid their dues for that.

It is a victimless "crime". If it was such a huge issue the film and music industry would be on its knees and unable to support itself and this is clearly not the case. People still buy music, people still go to the cinema, buy DVDs, BluRays.

It is nothing but greed that makes piracy out to be the biggest and horrendous crime that MUST STOP. As has been mentioned many many times - Streamable and downloaded content delivery for fair pricing is the solution.
If everyone had your attitude and no one paid for content who would pay for it? How would it get made? Where would the money come from?

Whether you're prepared to accept it or not the people that do buy legitimate copies of stuff are ultimately subsidising those that don't. The more the balance tips toward those that don't pay for it the harder it becomes to make it in the first place.

Let's make this argument real simple for you - a lone musician spends a week painstakingly writing and recording a song, publishing it himself on his own pressed CDs. He offers it up for sale only to find that 10 people buy it and everyone else copies it off whichever one of those 10 people seeded it on torrents. Lone musician gets a fraction of what he would expect to get from the same audience if copying his material wasn't so effortless. Lone musician realises he can't afford to pay his bills with what he makes from writing music and gets a different job.

Now you'll probably say something retarded like "be a better musician LOL" or "music should be free" or some crap like that, but ultimately writ large when something cannot sustain itself financially it ceases to be made anymore, and everyone suffers. Unless you can write music yourself it might be worth bearing in mind that downloading their stuff does have an effect, and whilst each individual downloading a film, album, game or whatever is a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things (and another convenient excuse), all those drops add up....

Looking forward whilst I don't imagine Hollywood is going to stop making movies overnight I can quite easily imagine them ending up not willing to finance unknown quantities, instead churning out the same old mainstream crap over and over again that they know will at least sell enough tickets to cover the budget and hopefully turn a profit. Same goes with music - how many real indie bands are there that might not get a break because a record label can't afford to take a punt on them?
 
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If everyone had your attitude and no one paid for content who would pay for it? How would it get made? Where would the money come from?

Whether you're prepared to accept it or not the people that do buy legitimate copies of stuff are ultimately subsidising those that don't. The more the balance tips toward those that don't pay for it the harder it becomes to make it in the first place.

Let's make this argument real simple for you - a lone musician spends a week painstakingly writing and recording a song, publishing it himself on his own pressed CDs. He offers it up for sale only to find that 10 people buy it and everyone else copies it off whichever one of those 10 people seeded it on torrents. Lone musician gets a fraction of what he would expect to get from the same audience if copying his material wasn't so effortless. Lone musician realises he can't afford to pay his bills with what he makes from writing music and gets a different job.

Now you'll probably say something retarded like "be a better musician LOL" or "music should be free" or some crap like that, but ultimately writ large when something cannot sustain itself financially it ceases to be made anymore, and everyone suffers. Unless you can write music yourself it might be worth bearing in mind that downloading their stuff does have an effect, and whilst each individual downloading a film, album, game or whatever is a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things (and another convenient excuse), all those drops add up....

A good point.

It doesn't hold true in every case though.

For example EA released Red Alert 3, out of the 10,000,000 people that wanted to play it 9,900,000 bought it in one form of media or another, these were the only ones that were ever going to go out and buy the game without actually playing it first, die hard fans. The other 100,000 download a cracked version and play it, 50,000 decide they like it and buy it, 25,000 decide they like it and keep a hard copy of it, 25,000 decide it's rubbish and delete it from their drive. EA haven't lost revenue instead they have gained 50,000 sales from people that had it not been available as a free torrent wouldn't have bought it anyway. Sometimes torrents can have a positive effect, advertising if you will or try before you buy. The 25,000 that downloaded it illegally and kept a hard copy were never going to buy it any way so no lost revenue.
 
The 25,000 that downloaded it illegally and kept a hard copy were never going to buy it any way so no lost revenue.
Again I don't necessarily believe that's true, and it's one of those things that is easy for you to say and impossible for me to disprove.

Let's assume it wasn't possible to crack games - what would those 25,000 people do if they couldn't play RA3 without buying a legit copy? Would they all do without? That's the point I'm trying to make - the fact it's so easy to copy stuff clouds the whole "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" justification. I don't believe you can say hand on heart that if it was impossible for you to acquire Red Alert 3 that you would carry on living your life never playing it, because in a world where game cracks didn't exist that would literally be your choice - buy it or do without. The reality I suspect is that of that 25,000 a fair proportion faced with that prospect would end up buying it.

I don't doubt that as far as piracy goes there are people who download random stuff incidentally (e.g. albums from artists they've never heard of) when they would probably never have gone into a shop and bought their album in the first place, but honestly I think that group is a small percentage of the total number of pirates. I'd wager the lion share of them know what it is they're pirating, want it enough that they go to the trouble of getting it, and just do it because there's no physical theft involved and very little chance of consequences.
 
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Again I don't necessarily believe that's true, and it's one of those things that is easy for you to say and impossible for me to disprove.

Let's assume it wasn't possible to crack games - what would those 25,000 people do if they couldn't play RA3 without buying a legit copy? Would they all do without? That's the point I'm trying to make - the fact it's so easy to copy stuff clouds the whole "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" justification. I don't believe you can say hand on heart that if it was impossible for you to acquire Red Alert 3 that you would carry on living your life never playing it, because in a world where game cracks didn't exist that would literally be your choice - buy it or do without. The reality I suspect is that of that 25,000 a fair proportion faced with that prospect would end up buying it.

I don't doubt that as far as piracy goes there are people who download random stuff incidentally (e.g. albums from artists they've never heard of) when they would probably never have gone into a shop and bought their album in the first place, but honestly I think that group is a small percentage of the total number of pirates. I'd wager the lion share of them know what it is they're pirating, want it enough that they go to the trouble of getting it, and just do it because there's no physical theft involved and very little chance of consequences.

They would live without it though that's the thing, they aren't into gaming enough to go and pay I don't know £25 for a game, but are into it enough to get it for free, if the option wasn't there then I trully believe they would go without, they only get it for free because they can, if they couldn't they would likely borrow it of somone or forget about it completely or like me wait and buy it for a fraction of the price second hand which incidentally is something else that the games industry seems to want to stamp out.
This isn't a new thing either this was happening in the days of the spectrum, which is about the same time than double tape recorders came out :D
 
P2P is legal right?
Downloading copyrighted material is illegal right?

They are doing something completely stupid and illogical.

Are fast cars aren't banned because you can break the speed limit with them are they?

It's not a matter of "is downloading copyrighted content legal?" because it's clear it's illegal. But their method of trying to stop downloading illegal material is to stop a entire method of downloading.

There are two solutions:
a)Make content harder to copy.
This has always failed so far. So no reason to think it will work in future.
b)Make content easier/cheaper to get legally.
Could work? Maybe the companies selling digital media haven't realized that the stuff they sell is just too expensive?
 
Hows about this business idea.

The issue with piracy is in a lot of cases these people were never going to buy your product most likley because of a lack of funds, or can just live without but if it's free why not. But what if the solution isn't to get money off them it's to get them to work for the studio's...

Imagine a program like SETI or that folding project, but this program ran the CGI calculation's for big action blockbusters and CGI movies and TV series. Now imagine that for every unit of work you did you earnt credits to buy movies or TV series or get cinema tickets etc from a catalogue of content all for free.
Put in leader boards and let users "level up" giving advanced viewing of new content and possibily sharing rights (higher levels means you can share more to more people). Add discussions, abit of social networking, reviews, imdb intergration etc and there you have an alterative to piracy.

This could completely reduce the costs and server time needed to render large complex CGI scenes that are used in a lot of media and with a decent tech behind it and enough users could also allow the studio's to use better and more complex CGI on a more regular basis which would pay off for all viewers.
 
Doesn't the UK government have far more important things to do than cut off tommy's internet because he downloaded a song? Like, stopping the influx of immigrants and getting out of the debt we're in?
 
they will prob bring something in where you would need a ' encryption license" to be able to encrypt data over a network.

any household whom doesn't have a license , the isp will not allow a tunnel.

so everything has to be out in the open, or its automatically blocked if no pre arranged agreement to do so. which would be primarily businesses for trade etc.
 
yes and break nearly every standard modern networking is built upon....

Basically allowing anyone access to anyone else's data, sounds secure to me. lol
 
With what ISP's is this coming into effect? I currently torrent lots of stuff, and have a usenet account WITHOUT SSL. Id like to know when I should upgrade!
 
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