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ok true, ive ordered the *** version anyway so ime gonna stick with it. a few benchmarks ive seen there isnt a lot between the two and that was using the stock 295

The bad thing is how much it adds to the electric bill over 12monthsok so even if the 295 is a little more power hungry than any other card around is that such a bad thing as long as you have the power supply to handle it?

My assumptions:
Your pc is left on and idle for 365 days
1 KWH costs £0.150303 (what it costs in northern ireland)
nvidia
275 would cost an additional £19 per year over a 5870 (Uses on average an extra 14W)
285 would cost an additional £31 per year over a 5870 (Uses on average an extra 24W)
295 would cost an additional £68 per year over a 5870 (Uses on average an extra 52W)
I hope my calcs are correct and i hope this is useful to some people.
ATI fan boys pff stick with the 295 if I was you![]()
the fact the 295 has dual gpu's and only just beats a single card says it all to me where to go.The newest single card GTX295s are significantly less power hungry than the original ones which were two cards joined together.
For folding@home NVidia simply destroys anything ATI. For anything else it's much less clear cut.
The newest single card GTX295s are significantly less power hungry than the original ones which were two cards joined together.
In terms of absolute operformance the GTX295 is still the fastest single card solution. As has been previously stated at the absolute worst it's as fast as a 5870 and generally it's faster, and the higher the resolution, the bigger the performance differential.
It is not EOL. It's a current NVidia product. It's certainly not old tech. It's the latest tech available. DX11 is a red herring until DX11 games actually come out.
Any new NVidia cards are a long way off and that's assuming that NVidia don't abandon the graphics card market all together.
If I was buying today, I would buy the BFG GTX295 at the best price I could find.
HehSystem in IDLE = 239 Watts
* Dual PCB: System with GPU in FULL Stress = 406 Watts
* Single PCB: System with GPU in FULL Stress = 411 Watts
Now I wouldn't want pesky facts to get in the way of a good argument, but at its worst, the 295 will be only marginally faster than a 260 due to its dual GPU setup. Think about why the likes of EVGA and Nvidia release SLi patches at regular instances. The 5870 is a brand new part, using very early drivers, yet for the most part the difference between it and the mature 295 is usually only a few % either way. What can we expect once real effort is put into raw performance increases?
Power use is hardly different to the original dual PCB design, certainly not the "significantly less power hungry" you claim, care to put up some numbers to disprove this? http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-single-pcb-review/7
At idle it uses 45W less because you are not supporting two cards. Very few PCs run at anything other than idle most of the time.
As for "It's the latest tech available" well no, not really is it. You can read from the Nvidia fact sheet and say DX11 is of no significance (well until they have a part...) but to say a card which does not support the latest DX spec is the latest tech is plain wrong.
Well, as far as I know it is latest and fastest card with an NVidia chipset therefore it is the latest technology. That is a fact. It's not the latest AMD technology, but it is the latest technology.
Anyway, is the mantra 'only the fastest single GPU card counts' still the in thing? I certainly remember that being tossed around when the 4870x2 appeared on the scene and was beating the 280.
You see, I think that's where you show your true colours. When ATI had a faster card you were annoyed that no-one listened. It was faster. Now, I hate to break it to you, but the GTX295 is faster, and that is another pesky fact.
You can buy a 5870 right now, "It's the latest tech available from AMD" will go within 90% with the current dual GPU monster and offer best in class single GPU performance and might get better if they release some non-beta drivers.
Amended for veracity.
the GTX295 is faster, and that is another pesky fact.
Well, as far as I know it is latest and fastest card with an NVidia chipset therefore it is the latest technology. That is a fact. It's not the latest AMD technology, but it is the latest technology.
Look at the reviews, with very early beta drivers, the card (as I said) goes toe to toe with the well established dual GPU monster, which is supported by very mature and optimised drivers. You can cling to the hope that ATI will not improve things, but c'mon, do you really think that will not happen? What about DX11 titles, what happens then if all you have is your 'latest tech' 295? If I was a betting man, I would say we could come back to this in six months time and the situation will look very different. I'll not argue, that right now the 295 has a slight advantage, but when you are dropping 300 beer tokens on a part you have to look at the situation as a whole.So if ATI get their act together a 5870 will beat a GTX295? Maybe it will, but right now it doesn't. And that is a very pesky fact.
At idle it uses 45W less because you are not supporting two cards. Very few PCs run at anything other than idle most of the time.
er... wut!Well, as far as I know it is latest and fastest card with an NVidia chipset therefore it is the latest technology. That is a fact. It's not the latest AMD technology, but it is the latest technology.
You see, I think that's where you show your true colours. When ATI had a faster card you were annoyed that no-one listened. It was faster. Now, I hate to break it to you, but the GTX295 is faster, and that is another pesky fact.

Keep reaching for that rainbow.Amended for veracity.
Quoted again for the sheer, WTF'nessWell, as far as I know it is latest and fastest card with an NVidia chipset therefore it is the latest technology. That is a fact. It's not the latest AMD technology, but it is the latest technology.