Excessive Sentence : 166mph biker

I know of a convicted paedophile who was sentencened to less time in jail for interfering with youngsters. This beggars belief :confused:
 
snowdog said:
Did you read the thread ?

A driving ban for a while + heavy fine would have been enough.
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Most of the people suggesting that are quoting it in the context of believing he was convicted solely of speeding, so his question is legit. So you are saying that you think prison should never be used for dangerous driving? You do remember how bad driving has to be before is is classified as "Dangerous"? That it generally it means: you are going to kill someone if you drive like that.

The fact that other crimes might hand in some cases down lower sentences is irrelevant to the argument at hand.


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Isnt over 120 or 130 automatically classed as dangerous driving? regardless of if someone was doing it on a straight motorway at 2am with nobody else around for miles.
 
Biohazard said:
It really isn't a road for 170, look at it on google maps!

Goes from south Edinburgh and snakes south westerly to the border..
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That was my first thought, having driven the road more than a few times there aren't many places where I'd have thought that sort of speed was even vaguely appropriate. It's a nice road to drive along and can be fun but with people not infrequently overtaking in dodgy places it doesn't strike me that such speeds are a good plan there. The scenery is quite beautiful round there though.
 
Fireskull said:
Will a triumph to 160?.... :D
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I couldn't possibly answer that, though I'm sure on a private road I saw over 150 appear...

On paper yes it's geared to hit 160, and I'm about 5hp up from stock... So I guess it might be possible. :D


When you're doing that speed though, no matter how much you have your wits about you, and no matter how much observation you have it is just too quick for a human brain to cope with in terms of an emergency I must admit.

However, I remember riding down to Lymington going along the A31, with a lovely slightly crested straight with no less than 12 cars pootling along - overtaking all those cars with one overtake was seemless and easy, but as a result my speeds were rather high by the time I passed the last car.... I didn't keep those speeds up, and woudln't on a country public road, but sometimes you have to hit silly speeds to make the overtake faster and therefore safer. If a car is going 50, I'd rather over take it as fast as is safely possible.

Ok so this guy wasn't overtaking, and he probably did get carried away - it's very easy to do. Heck, it's easy to break the speed limit in 1st gear without even trying or realising. Bikes have a bigger responsibility of their own safety but licence too as it is so much easier to accrue speed.

Whether or not we think that road is safe or not is not our possibility to judge, the fact is he did over 160 and survived, but was caught. I've unfortunately seen bikers lose limbs riding at 40mph, so the speed argument is daft really.

The 11th commandment - don't get caught.
 
Good, sends out a message and might make the **** think again, think off all the work that would be needed to scrap his body off the road if he crashed. I hate this "oh it was a clear road" laws are in place for you own safety as well.
 
This isn't just going over the speed limit though. Going 20, even 30mph over the speed limit to complete a manoeuver safely may well, in some circumstances, be safer than doing it slowly. Travelling at 166mph on a public road, however you look at it, is dangerous and unnecessary.
 
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It's not dangerous in itself, it's potentially dangerous. Of course there's no need to be going that fast, but hey, some people are thrill seekers, some people like to go fast. The only person he's likely to kill/hurt was himself. Sure it's a bit selfish of him, but I don't see him being a criminal for it.

Though he was done for dangerous driving, I think it's down to the discretion of the police officer - 166mph was considered dangerous, but it is, in itself not - it's the interpretation of the officer.
 
Freefaller said:
The only person he's likely to kill/hurt was himself.
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Are you sure? A 200kg motorbike hitting a car at 160mph is going to exert the same force as a 1000kg car doing 30mph, only it's going to be much more focussed due to the narrow shape.

That sort of impact in the side of a car could kill the driver I reckon
 
Ah, I thought you meant even if he had a smash involving other people he's the only one likely to be carried away in a bag.

Even on the straightest, clearest country road, there's always sideroads, field entrances etc etc
 
Well I'd argue that there are perfectly acceptable places to do it, but I'd also agree that it's not fair to other road users who aren't used to such speeds. :)
 
If they really care about OTT speeding then just make it law that no car or bike can go over 100mph. Restrict them in the factory to 100mph and expect a jail term if you tamper or de-restrict.

Almost 3 times over the speed limit he should go to prison, just not for that long as well as the huge ban.
 
iaind said:
Are you sure? A 200kg motorbike hitting a car at 160mph is going to exert the same force as a 1000kg car doing 30mph, only it's going to be much more focussed due to the narrow shape.

That sort of impact in the side of a car could kill the driver I reckon
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then theres the emotional impact on the people that find him

And the poor police officer who has to break the news to his family, who will no doubt bombard him with lots of questions, to which the only real answer is "sorry it was his own stupid fault"

And then theres paramedics that will almost certainly get called who will be asked to attempt to save his life, even though the biker knew the risks and took them anyway.

And thats before we get into any implications of him hitting other people. After all the data shows how quickly he can cover a mile in that time. If an approaching car is doing 60, the time it would take for them to go from being very far away, to being right on top of each other would be very slimi indeed.
 
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