Parking Ticket Madness

MrMoonX

MrMoonX

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Just parked up walked off to machine there was some old biddy taking ages, finally bought my ticket got back to car and there is some jobsworth slapping a ticket on my car. Now looking at the facts, my ticket was purchased at 15:01, he issued the PCN at 14:57, have fired off an email with a photo of my ticket to the email address in appeal.

What do you think my chances are or should I just cough up £25, I really dont want to but I know these council jobsworth tickets can get messy
 
Could they not claim that you saw him, so ran off and bought a ticket? Thats probably what they will think has happened.
 
Kick up a fuss, explain the situation you will get your ticket cancelled. If they refuse to cancel it, go to court and make a fool out of them.

EDIT: I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but most ticket machines have the time displayed on them - should have taken his PCN to the machine and took a photo next to it to prove he wrote an early time in on it.

No wonder people hate parking wardens with his kind of fraudulent behaviour.
 
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MrMoonX said:
council, surely less than five minutes, im sure i read that they have to wait at least that before slapping on a PCN
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The warden is meant to note the time the car is first seen, then allow 5 minutes before issuing the PCN. You can only prove that you bought the ticket 4 minutes after receiving the PCN, not that your car had only been parked for 4 minutes.

As someone else said, you could have been parked for an hour and come back to see the PCN being issued and then ran to the machine to make it look like you were just getting a ticket.
 
Moley said:
should have taken his PCN to the machine and took a photo next to it to prove he wrote an early time in on it.

No wonder people hate parking wardens with his kind of fraudulent behaviour.
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I don't think the OP is disputing the time that the PCN was issued.

I think he is saying he was at the machine waiting to buy the ticket, but while he was waiting there the warden had already issued it. Basically he's saying it took him at least 4 minutes to go from his car, queue at the machine behind a slow person, buy his ticket and then return to his card to find the warden had already been past.

I don't think there is any allegation of fraud.
 
Basically the warden hadnt even given you chance to get a ticket before he issued you with an PCN.

Unfortunately though as you have no way of proving you had only just arrived in the car park your pretty much stuffed, but its worth disputing as much as possible because they may back down. If the carpark has CCTV though you may be able to get the ticket canceled as they could check, but wouldnt count on it.
 
div0 said:
I don't think there is any allegation of fraud.
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Yeah there is - from me. From the OPs description of events it is totally obvious the warden was pulling a fast one and wrote an earlier time on the ticket than the real time. Quota filling NCP jobsworth I'm willing to bet.
 
Moley said:
Yeah there is - from me. From the OPs description of events it is totally obvious the warden was pulling a fast one and wrote an earlier time on the ticket than the real time. Quota filling NCP jobsworth I'm willing to bet.
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Is it not all done electronically so they cant do this... :confused:
 
its electronically printed as it says time of offence 14:57 so he hadnt left five minutes to see if I was purchasing a ticket, have appealed and will take it to arbitration if I have to as its a joke
 
Had this happen to me; sent a photocopy of the notice and the ticket to the council and they wrote back to say that they would waive the fine.

I was also once approached as I was driving out of a car park and asked by some guy if he could have my ticket - I gave it to him ;)
 
Theres a car park in Hucknall that when I go to park I always have someone offer me their old ticket! couldnt see anything in the rules that says its verboten.
Also in Sutton and Mansfield are supermakets that have pay and display car parks, I had been parking and shopping there for weeks until one day I realised there were pay and display machines! well I just refuse to shop there now on principle and goto tesco.
 
Dont start kicking up a fuss until you need to.

I had a nearly identical situation a few years back, I explained to the warden and he gave me the usual "well the ticket's already been issued" line. A quick phone call to the council when I got home, explained the sitaution and a pleasant lady cancelled it for me - confirmed by post the next day.

No drama, no fuss, no rage - easy.
 
thebloyn said:
Theres a car park in Hucknall that when I go to park I always have someone offer me their old ticket! couldnt see anything in the rules that says its verboten.
Also in Sutton and Mansfield are supermakets that have pay and display car parks, I had been parking and shopping there for weeks until one day I realised there were pay and display machines! well I just refuse to shop there now on principle and goto tesco.
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If you didn't realise the pay and display machines, chances are you also didn't notice the signs saying you get a refund when you spent x amount instore (almost certainly there). Taking this into account, you should probably also get your eyes tested and consider a taxi instead of driving ;)
 
If this ever happens just wait for someone to leave and ask for their ticket (saying you only need a minute so don't want to buy one) then send that valid ticket off and say it fell on floor.
 
rs1800 said:
If this ever happens just wait for someone to leave and ask for their ticket (saying you only need a minute so don't want to buy one) then send that valid ticket off and say it fell on floor.
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However the clue is in the name "Pay AND Display".
It is not their fault the ticket "fell on the floor" and if correctly displayed there really is no way the ticket can fall on the floor.

Hence this defence will not usually work.
 
MrMoonX said:
its electronically printed as it says time of offence 14:57 so he hadnt left five minutes to see if I was purchasing a ticket, have appealed and will take it to arbitration if I have to as its a joke
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The time of offence (14:57) should already be 5 minutes after he first 'recorded' the car as parked.

I believe he should 'log' (electronically) when the car is first seen parked. Then 5 minutes later, if the car is still there, he is allowed to issue the fine.

At the moment you don't know what time he 'logged' the car as first parked. So you don't know that he didn't allow at least 5 minutes before issuing the fine. Unless you are saying that your car had not been parked for that long?

All you've said so far (afaict), is that he put the PCN on your car 4 minutes before you got back from the machine. This is totally irrelevant and won't help your appeal in the slightest.

If however, he didn't log the car in his system when he first saw it and then didn't wait 5 minutes, then I believe this would show up when you appeal. And based on how miserable the person dealing with your call is, should mean that they revoke the fine.

This is based on knowing someone who worked part-time in the appeals department for a local council. But things may be different for different councils, I make no promises.
 
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