Mininova deletes all illegal material

[ntg]

This really annoys me. i don't want to wait a year, if not longer (if its broadcast at all) to see what has already been aired elsewhere in the world.

At least, if something isn't going to be broadcast over here, can they not sell the damn thing via some sort of torrent system, so that people who want to watch it and are willing to pay to do so aren't left out?

I understand the sentiment but that doesn't justifying stealing it does it? It's just business, just because they don't sell here whatever you may find in USA (or they sell it more expensive) doesn't justify stealing it.

People have to get on with reality and understand that no, they can't have anything they want when they want it - otherwise they are correct to 'take it'.

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

I understand the sentiment but that doesn't justifying stealing it does it? It's just business, just because they don't sell here whatever you may find in USA (or they sell it more expensive) doesn't justify stealing it.

People have to get on with reality and understand that no, they can't have anything they want when they want it - otherwise they are correct to 'take it'.

These companies should realise that they stand to make a good bit extra money if they set a system like this up.

 

[Cosimo]

I will give you several thousand (Zimbabwean) dollars if you can demonstrate how it is theft.

Give me seven thousand US dollars and I will.

 

[krooton]

I understand the sentiment but that doesn't justifying stealing it does it? It's just business, just because they don't sell here whatever you may find in USA (or they sell it more expensive) doesn't justify stealing it.

People have to get on with reality and understand that no, they can't have anything they want when they want it - otherwise they are correct to 'take it'.

It's not stealing though. I pay my tv licence, if the BBC picks up the show and airs it later, I've paid for it, even if I don't actually watch it.

Even DVD boxsets are released in time with the actual airing schedule of the country, grrrr!

 

[ntg]

These companies should realise that they stand to make a good bit extra money if they set a system like this up.

I don't disagree with that at all. But at the moment they are businesses and they choose their business models as they see fit - it doesn't justify action from the potential consumers to take things in their own hands just because they are displeased with the fact that a company doesn't make available the X show to them at the same time as somewhere else. I think that in time they will, when they figure out they can actually use the internet as a core part of their business model - but until then that's just the way things are.

 

[ntg]

It's not stealing though. I pay my tv licence, if the BBC picks up the show and airs it later, I've paid for it, even if I don't actually watch it.

Even DVD boxsets are released in time with the actual airing schedule of the country, grrrr!

Well yes but:

a) That's why you have iplayer (to an extent)
b) That is why the timetable of the tv programmes is published in advance, so that you can make your arrangements and derive utility from your license. If you can't make it to watch a show when it's on tv it's not BBCs fault.

Again I would agree with you that all tv shows subject to TV license should be made available for free in electronic format (at least) for all subscribers without any time limits. But there are grounds to consider feasibility of such things and a right balance has to be kept. I wouldn't chastise BBC for not trying (through the iplayer) to offer something like that, it would be unfair.

 

[HEADRAT]

Currently these companies want to hold onto creation, distribution, channel etc because it's what they know and what currently makes them money. They are too set in their ways to consider alternatives or in any way provide the customer what "they want".

The only way things are going to change is for these organisations to feel it in the wallet, they will then change their ways. In somes ways I hope things get a lot worse in terms of illegal downloads etc. as it will force them in the 21C and to think of ways of "serving" the customers.

HEADRAT

 

[LiE]

I find myself buying things more and more now that I can afford it. I used to use torrents a lot a few years ago but I much prefer to own the things I like now.

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

I don't disagree with that at all. But at the moment they are businesses and they choose their business models as they see fit - it doesn't justify action from the potential consumers to take things in their own hands just because they are displeased with the fact that a company doesn't make available the X show to them at the same time as somewhere else. I think that in time they will, when they figure out they can actually use the internet as a core part of their business model - but until then that's just the way things are.

If something isn't available to me in this country in the first place, then am I actually harming the companies profits in any way, given that I'm not a lost sale, as the option to buy it isn't available to me?

 

[HEADRAT]

I find myself buying things more and more now that I can afford it. I used to use torrents a lot a few years ago but I much prefer to own the things I like now.

Agreed at one time I used to download lots of MP3, now I just use Itunes or Amazon, if it was cheaper I'd just buy more.

Saying that I've not bought anything recently as I just use Spotify Premium

 

[krooton]

I don't disagree with that at all. But at the moment they are businesses and they choose their business models as they see fit - it doesn't justify action from the potential consumers to take things in their own hands just because they are displeased with the fact that a company doesn't make available the X show to them at the same time as somewhere else. I think that in time they will, when they figure out they can actually use the internet as a core part of their business model - but until then that's just the way things are.

Revolutions have to start some how, would they actually change their business model if people weren't doing this?

I'm not saying I do it for this reason, but if it ends up making things better, then woot.

 

[jamief]

I find myself buying things more and more now that I can afford it. I used to use torrents a lot a few years ago but I much prefer to own the things I like now.

Which is fine and well until you want something that isn't available in this country - like, for example, Dexter in HD, or Flash Forward in HD or The Shield in HD etc etc etc etc etc. Torrents served a useful purpose for these things.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Revolutions?

I love the way people talk about these things as there's some fundamental human right at stake. Get some perspective people...

 

[Vonhelmet]

Which is fine and well until you want something that isn't available in this country - like, for example, Dexter in HD, or Flash Forward in HD or The Shield in HD etc etc etc etc etc. Torrents served a useful purpose for these things.

Why the hell would you want Flashforward, let alone in HD?

 

[ntg]

If something isn't available to me in this country in the first place, then am I actually harming the companies profits in any way, given that I'm not a lost sale, as the option to buy it isn't available to me?

Good point, but for many cases of download content does this stand? I would risk saying very few compared to the total bulk of illegal downloads.

Even so though, you would still be engaging in an illegal activity. It doesn't have to hurt someones profit - as long it is against the law (and I agree that the law should be changed in this aspect anyway).

What I am getting at is that there are cases and issues to be debated further but the bulk illegal downloading simply cannot be justified morally, and that's the main issue.

 

[jamief]

Why the hell would you want Flashforward, let alone in HD?

I said "for example" - i.e. my wife wants to watch it!

 

[Al Vallario]

Public torrent trackers like Mininova — or any torrent trackers at all, in fact — are a total embarrassment to the organised copyright infringement scene anyway. Not only do the copyright holders not want you downloading things using such trackers, but the people who make the copyrighted material available don't either.

Good news for all!

 

[HEADRAT]

I love the way people talk about these things as there's some fundamental human right at stake. Get some perspective people...

Revolution : "a sudden, complete or marked change in something", doesn't have to mean people burning the Reichstag

 

[ntg]

Which is fine and well until you want something that isn't available in this country - like, for example, Dexter in HD, or Flash Forward in HD or The Shield in HD etc etc etc etc etc. Torrents served a useful purpose for these things.

To take this even further, a company doesn't sell something in UK because for any reason they don't want to. That doesn't justify "your" actions as you don't have any 'rights' to buy it irrespective of where it is sold.

Don't confuse your wants with your needs.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Public torrent trackers like Mininova — or any torrent trackers at all, in fact — are a total embarrassment to the organised copyright infringement scene anyway. Not only do the copyright holders not want you downloading things using such trackers, but the people who make the copyrighted material available don't either.

Good news for all!

The organised copyright infringement scene is an embarrassment for those of us with any respect for the law.