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Ha-Ha... we've had what 1 "Muslim" bombing and 1 failed "Muslim" bombing. Compared to how many 100's of IRA. I think you are blinkered.

Muslims make up just over 20% of the world's population.

Global terrorist groups.

Islamic: 64
Secular nationalist: 36
Marxist/Maoist: 13
Other/Anarchist: 9
Christian: 2
Shinto and Jewish: 1 each

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/118691.html

Islamic terrorists have carried out more than 14,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11.
 
Muslims make up just over 20% of the world's population.

Islamic terrorists have carried out more than 14,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11.
and most in their own countries. Just look at how many are in Iraq and Afghanistan every week.

The point was that Muslims do not hold 99% of terrorist attacks in the UK or western world.
 
The point is they were all absolute atrocities on a large scale. It's always the Muslims and their rages that are behind such calamitous events. Even the Van Gogh killing shows that. And as far as I can tell the Muslim world hardly ever comes out and publicly condemns these types of honor killings.

They want to be able to set up the symbols of their religion in the West, and they want to be treated like western religions are treated. The image that a lot of Westerners have of Islam is one of terrorism, and it seems to me like the Islamic population has done very little if nothing to try and change that.
 
always Muslims :confused:, so bombings in Russia, IRA, troubles is spain are not atrocities. As I said blinded.

he image that a lot of Westerners have of Islam is one of terrorism, .
Which is our problem, out of the millions of Muslims how many are terrorists, it's a tiny fraction.
Out of the millions of Christians how many are terrorists.
Out of the 100'000s how many cornish people are terrorists.
 
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I can, how many bombings have we had in England and deaths IRA vs Islamic extremists?
of which 621 were civilians

And in main land Europe how many terrorist attacks from islamic extremists vs other groups. Many bombings are about borders and wanting their own countries.

You are not taking into account the idealogy behind the attacks however. The IRA bombings and attacks, grievious as they were had some rational and "limited" purpose behind them.

They were seeking a goal, with some intentions.


Compare that to the idealogy of islamic terrorism and it pales in significance.
 
How many of those were in Muslim countries?

and most in their own countries. Just look at how many are in Iraq and Afghanistan every week.

The point was that Muslims do not hold 99% of terrorist attacks in the UK or western world.

How many planned attacks on the west have been foiled by western intelligence agencies?

Muslim countries don't have the same intelligence agencies to stop attacks.
 
You are not taking into account the idealogy behind the attacks however. The IRA bombings and attacks, grievious as they were had some rational and "limited" purpose behind them.

They were seeking a goal, with some intentions.


Compare that to the idealogy of islamic terrorism and it pales in significance.

I'm not comparing ideologies. I was responding to the post that 99% of terrorist attacks in western countries are Islamic.

You have to remember every single portion of society has extremists, whether that's religion, atheists, nationality or any other group. How the number is tiny. People seem to forget they live side by side with many Islam people who drive taxis dress like us, talk English. It's been media propaganda and blinkered people.

How many planned attacks on the west have been foiled by western intelligence agencies?

The same can be said about the IRA and every other western terrorist group.
 
It's not a religion that is evil or doing the killing though - it's individual people.

Catholicism isn't evil, despite the atrocities committed in its name over its history. Look at the wars and and conflicts that occurred in Europe during the Protestant Reformation (of which Switzerland was ironically the centre).... you'd have thought Switzerland would have learned a thing or two about religious intolerance after that.
 
The attacks in Russia are mostly carried out by Chechens. Chechnia is a primarily Islamic state, not to mention the fact that a lot of Chechen rebels are from Pakistan anyway.
 
The point is they were all absolute atrocities on a large scale. It's always the Muslims and their rages that are behind such calamitous events. Even the Van Gogh killing shows that. And as far as I can tell the Muslim world hardly ever comes out and publicly condemns these types of honor killings.

They want to be able to set up the symbols of their religion in the West, and they want to be treated like western religions are treated. The image that a lot of Westerners have of Islam is one of terrorism, and it seems to me like the Islamic population has done very little if nothing to try and change that.

The image that a lot of the Islamic countries have of the West is one of butchering warmongers, or have you forgotten about Iraq and Afghanistan so quickly?

The attacks in Russia are mostly carried out by Chechens. Chechnia is a primarily Islamic state, not to mention the fact that a lot of Chechen rebels are from Pakistan anyway.

And pray tell what has been happening in Chechnya in recent years that makes these attacks more likely. You have any inkling of what the Russkies have been up to over there? Does the name Anna Politkovskaya mean anything to you? Read any of her books? I don't know if there's a reason why you are talking up everything like you know it all but if you aren't already biased, then you are at least grossly ignorant of the bigger picture.

You are not taking into account the idealogy behind the attacks however. The IRA bombings and attacks, grievious as they were had some rational and "limited" purpose behind them.

They were seeking a goal, with some intentions.


Compare that to the idealogy of islamic terrorism and it pales in significance.

OOOOO the idealogy (nice spelling there btw) behind the attacks. What utter BS. Enlighten me then, what was the 'idealogy' behind these attacks according to you? And why did these attacks take place?
 
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But has nothing to do with Islam.

Your point was that Islam is not to blame for as many atrocities as I claimed. Here we see Islamic people repeatedly bombing Russia so I'd say it does have something to do with Islam.

Why don't you go and open some churches in Afghanistan or Pakistan and see how they react when your spires start to impose on their buildings. I'm quite sure they'd probably be knocked down without any sort of vote or debate from their people. Such is the Middle Eastern world, they are stuck in the dark ages.
 
It's not a religion that is evil or doing the killing though - it's individual people.

Over 60% or the Qu'ran talks of violence and killing against non-muslims.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with motives like, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/statistics-and-the-meaning-of-islam
 
The attacks in Russia are mostly carried out by Chechens. Chechnia is a primarily Islamic state, not to mention the fact that a lot of Chechen rebels are from Pakistan anyway.

Ireland is primarily a Christian state, not to mention the fact that many Irish terrorists where Christian .
 
Your point was that Islam is not to blame for as many atrocities as I claimed. Here we see Islamic people repeatedly bombing Russia so I'd say it does have something to do with Islam.
Are they doing it for an Islam course? are they Islamic? or are they just Arab nationality? Big differences.

IRA and other groups trained in foreign countries does that make them Islamic terror groups?

Why don't you go and open some churches in Afghanistan or Pakistan and see how they react when your spires start to impose on their buildings. I'm quite sure they'd probably be knocked down without any sort of vote or debate from their people. Such is the Middle Eastern world, they are stuck in the dark ages.

And here we go with stupid comments. Ever herd two wrongs don't make a right. There also is churches in such parts of the world. What they do should have no reflection on what we do.

Over 60% or the Qu'ran talks of violence and killing against non-muslims.

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Wan to back that up. Old testament also has a lot of killing in it as well.
 
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