Switzerland appears to have backed minaret ban

Gackt said:
I disagree. I think it's both. Religion enables the people to do these things. Religion is oppressive and controlling. It's whole basis is "you don't need evidence, what we tell you is true, ignore the rest" - how can anyone with some reasonable amount of intellect take something like that seriously?
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You mean just like nationality or WMD enable people to do such things.
As for proof science is but one form of proof and taken by many out of context. Many scientists and geniuses are religious. Your argument fails.

scorza said:
The legality of the Iraq war is at worst, unclear.
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Fixed. UN resolutions allowed for further action. Those resolutions were breeched and action was taken. We were totally lied to and went about the wrong way. But at worst it is legally unclear.

As for Afghanistan totally agree nothing Illegal about it.
 
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TipTop said:
You said I had linked to some biased sites, which sounds to me like you were suggesting they were setup by some anti-islam trolls. ;)
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Just because he knows it, doesn't mean it is unbiased. Just like any texts the meaning can be bent to your will. Which is why you have everything from peaceful Muslims to extremists and everything in-between.
 
Lopéz said:
I don't see the problem with mosques having minarets.
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Neither do i:confused: unless they are being used for muslim terrorist snipers:p.

Pathetic in this day and age that a religious group is being told that they cant have certain structures built...even more pathetic is the people who think that this is a good thing when clearly it will only cause more tension...If its only for safety measures then fair enough but even then still an utterly stupid decision that will only rile up more and more muslims if they are being actively discriminated against.
 
Tefal said:
no it was because she supported the war in Afghanistan.
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To be fair there is a tendancy within Islam to see an attack on any muslim country as an attack on all muslims hence the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (which have zero to do with religion) are seen as a crusade against muslims. Even the war in Chechnya draws in a lot of non Chechan muslim fighters. This sense of "brotherhood" also seems to explain why so many self professed moderate muslims will go on at length about NATO forces killing Afghans whilst completely ignoring that the vast majority of deaths in both Iraq and Afghanistan are muslims killing other muslims. It also goes some way to explain why the situation in Israel is considered much worse than the situation in Darfur.
 
Spie said:
There are 150 mosques in Switzerland. I think that's tolerance.

How many churches are there in Saudi? That's intolerant.
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Why are you focusing on one unrepresentative "muslim" country, why dont you count the number of churches in Morrocco or Indonesia or Malaysia or Egypt or Pakistan, all of which have far more muslims than Saudi Arabia or any other arab muslim nation.

Its become fashinable for the racist to advance their arguments soley on this myth of "islamification" when the subtle message is for all non white immigrants irrespective if their creed.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Finnally, its not all 150 Mosques a significant proportion of those 150 are no more than rooms
 
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scorza said:
To clarify because I don't understand, you want proof that some Muslims living in Britain support the Taliban/Al-Queda in Afghanistan? Shouldn't be too hard.
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No I want proof that those in the protest support such groups. Just because you are protesting against a war, does not mean you support such groups.
 
Strife212 said:
The Iraq war was illegal, the Afghan one wasn't, seems to be the current thought?
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UN resolutions allowed for further action. Those resolutions were breeched and action was taken. Legally Unclear at worst, legal at best.

Is my take on it and if you actually read entire newspaper reports, also seems to be what UN legal people seem to think.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No I want proof that those in the protest support such groups. Just because you are protesting against a war, does not mean you support such groups.
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Protesters were from outlawed Islamist group Al-Muhajiroun (Source). Al-Muhajiroun have referred to the September 11th Hijackers as the "Magnificent 19" in the past, I think that should give you some idea about where their loyalties lie (Source). Proof enough?
 
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