18 year old wants a car.

Not true, and it's impractical to expect an 18yr old full time student to be able to save enough for all those things on a part time job while trying to study properly as well.
Thats complete rubbish, I've always been taught if you want something you've gotta work for it.
I have had some form of income since I was 13 be it a paper round or a job or a business oppurtunity.

Have my grades suffered? No.
Has my social life suffered? No.

I've got 2 A's and a B, a levels, i'm in my third year and predicted an A for my final A level. it's all about time management.
I'm in a pool and darts team and quite often attend volkswagen meets. With all the extra socialising on top.

It's rubbish, I'd say leave him to save for his own damn car and pay for his own driving lessons. He's had it easy up until now, time to give him a shock and teach him the value of money.

I've been earning anywhere between £400 and £1200 a month at college depending on how much work I've been able to get.
This year I'm having to cane in as much work as I can so I'll be able to afford university next year, I fancy a few months off while I settle in down there, but I know, I've got to work for it.

Hard work pays off, let him learn it.
 
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If it were me, i'd offer an incentive towards the goal of a car.

Offer to buy the first 10-20 hours of lessons, which should hopefully give him plenty of time to realise just how worth while having a car is, offer to contribute towards the cost of lessons after and for ever £1 he saves towards a car you'll double, if he gets a part time job at the weekends offer to double his take home pay if he puts it all towards a car and insurance.

It should teach him the value of hard work and saving. Two very important lessons.

Might take him 6-12 months to save up enough but it will be very much worth while in the long run. Most importantly don't let the miss's cave in to his demands.
 
I know from when I was a student, that getting a job (unless you have to) is probably worse than not in some ways (good in others true), but on balance it allows you to focus on university more (I am aware that a lot of 18 year olds don't do this at all, that's another problem entirely though) which at this stage is really more important than some crummy ten a penny job.

I don’t quite know what to say really, I have learned financial responsibility myself, for instance when I was his age I had an allowance, rather than actually being given money specifically for certain things.

So for instance, say he gets £200 a month allowance, he has to make that work, if he can't budget within that, then it's a no go, teaches you a bit about budgeting and making what money you do have go as far as possible etc. That's how my parents did it with me when I was younger. I believe this worked well.

What I would do is buy him his first car, but ask that he run it with his allowance (if he has one, not ask for money all the time, but get given a set amount and make it work …or not) and make him think about balancing a budget a bit.

Then again, I suppose this depends on what he’s like as a person aswell. Some people need more of a shove than others I suppose, some people blatantly do try to take the mick and abuse generosity, some do not.

One thing my Dad always said to me was always use somebody else’s money if you can (banks, credit card company, whatever) …nothing wrong with living on credit etc (although the part about making it work for you, I missed at 17-18, using money to make more money isn't something most teenagers are really interested in) …that kind of life is something I have been heavily exposed to. But to be honest, in my own experience, it’s not really the best way to go about things, at least not for day to day living. I do think my Dad was right in some respects, but the subtleties and complexities of what he was actually saying have only been made clear to me post university really.

I don't subscribe to the, "oh my god debt" crowd, who wont even use a credit card, I think that's a bit restrictive, you can have nice things sooner than you otherwise could this way, but you do have to be careful, spending willy-nilly without any appreciation for what it takes to get x amount of money or how you will pay it back is a bad idea indeed. I have had and have made extensive use of a credit car since I was 18, no regrets there, I find it very useful.

I think I went a little off-topic in the end, more pontificating on different ways of looking at this stuff. I just find it interesting, I see quite a few attitudes on these forums that are quite different from some of the ones I grew up with.

For instance, why on earth would you 'want' a job? ...why would you work if you didn't have to? ...some sort of perverse sense of 'community' with all those people that do? ...I really don't know to be honest. I do know that work does not 'set you free' and it is not 'good for the soul' ...actually, unless you make a lot of money it simply is, it's something that has to be done, something that traps you if anything, keeps you grinding on in the rat race. Now making a huge amount of money is freedom, enough so that you don't have to answer to anyone, enough so that you do have 'freedom' and you don't have to worry about it anymore.

I believe you have to take care of yourself and your family, as no-one else is going to do if for you, but is mere survival enough today? We work for economic security and with that comes freedom, yet at the same time it can be a prison in of it's self. I'll cease the philosophising now anyway, I'm going too far off track with my musings, and not helping with the thread on the slightest I imagine.
 
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Parents that give their kids everything sicken me with jealousy

Corrected.

Theres no need for that attitude whatsoever. Its a parents responsibility to ensure they bring their child up correctly. Driving is a life skill that needs to be learn - the same as mannors, the same as social etiquette and learning to swim.

You dont have to, you could bring your child up to be a rude benefit dependant little chav. But you wouldnt have done your job as a parent properly.

Similarly, these are your children at the end of the day. They dont stop becomming your children when they reach 18. You have a duty to look after them long after they are 18. A bond between a parent and their child doesnt suddenly vanish when they reach 18. You dont just dump them out onto the streets and say "tough luck" you help them in life. Thats your role as a parent.

Equally id never make my child pay full rent. Id make them make a token contribution, but would never make them pay a lodgers rent, regardless of how much they earned. They've got a lifetime of paying bills and strugging ahead of them. Why shouldnt they have a few years of the easy life when they're younger ?

Granted i wouldnt let them take the micky, and have everything while doing nothing.

But i dont believe for one second that your responsiblity for helping your child vanishes the moment they reach 18.

So for instance, say he gets £200 a month allowance, he has to make that work, if he can't budget within that, then it's a no go, teaches you a bit about budgeting and making what money you do have go as far as possible etc. That's how my parents did it with me when I was younger. I believe this worked well.

Excellent suggestion. Teaches them how to manage money without the silver spoon syndrome.
 
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i think in this day and age you do need a car.

A kid doesnt need nike trainers, but would you honestly let him go round in crap clothes to get bulled by other kids to make some point about what he "needs". no of course not.
 
Corrected.

Theres no need for that attitude whatsoever. Its a parents responsibility to ensure they bring their child up correctly. Driving is a life skill that needs to be learn - the same as mannors, the same as social etiquette and learning to swim.

You dont have to, you could bring your child up to be a rude benefit dependant little chav. But you wouldnt have done your job as a parent properly.

Quite, I would give my children every advantage I could, not hold it all back through some selfish spite about how I may or may not have had it when I was a kid. This attitude (as displayed by Solaris, not you) not only puzzles me but annoys me.

Why would you not want to help your offspring as much as possible, teaching them responsibility and strength of will and character is of course very necessary. But to have them suffer this world a little bit more than they need to because you think it's 'good for them' ...I'm not sure about that one.

I value personal responsibility very highly indeed, above almost everything infact, but, there is nothing wrong with a helping hand from ones own when it is most helpful and most useful.

Solaris attitude is one I have seen many times, and it's almost always for the same reason really, no matter how it's spun, as you put it MrLOL, pure and simple, jealousy!
 
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I do love the notion that we are supposed to beleive that I get around is earning up to 1200 quid a month whilst a full time student.

You need what, £20k a year to clear 1200 quid a month after tax?
 
I've got 2 A's and a B, a levels, i'm in my third year and predicted an A for my final A level. it's all about time management.
I'm in a pool and darts team and quite often attend volkswagen meets. With all the extra socialising on top.
I've been earning anywhere between £400 and £1200 a month at college depending on how much work I've been able to get.

May i ask what A-Levels you are doing? And may i ask how many days a week you are required to be in college? I only ask because There is no way a student that is doing 3 (half decent) A-Levels and is in school 5 days a week, can earn £1200 a month. I should think a third of that would just be do-able.
 
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I do love the notion that we are supposed to beleive that I get around is earning up to 1200 quid a month whilst a full time student.

You need what, £20k a year to clear 1200 quid a month after tax?

I'm on 19.5k a year and I clear 1300 a month after tax, so it's probably around the 18k mark to hit 1200 a month.
 
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I do love the notion that we are supposed to beleive that I get around is earning up to 1200 quid a month whilst a full time student.

You need what, £20k a year to clear 1200 quid a month after tax?

lol... uhuh.

£20k a year whilst doing 3 A-Levels. Pull the other one.
 
well get a deal with him.. im 18 my parents have a deal with me they pay for the license and half of the insurance costs.. i buy car and the rest of insurance, taxes, parking, petrol etc etc.. :) but i've lost my job and now i cant afford it so yeah the only thing im doing at this moment is my license so i have for the future.. do something similiar with him.. i dont see why it wouldn't work
 
i think in this day and age you do need a car.

Why would he need it ? Yes, driving licence allows you to get jobs where it is required. Yes, car allows you to be more free about time management and where to go. But no one needs a car. It is a positive thing if you can afford it, but if he "needs" the car just to show of in front of his friends, go to pub/concert/whatever and back - then no, he doesn't need it. He just wants it, and that is a big difference.
 
At 17 my parents paid for driving lessons and I could very occasionally borrow their car. I didn't even consider getting my own car as I wasn't prepared to spend my own income on it and not be able to afford to go out and didn't even consider asking my parents for one. When I left uni and got a job they paid for a car (a £850 1.2 Vauxhall Nova) but only after I'd saved enough to buy one and pay the insurance as they wanted to leave me with some money to fix it.
 
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by all means help the lad if he is willing to work for it. if he's not interested then tough luck. either pay for your lessons or pay for a bus.

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Many people i know that have got their licence in their late 20's have always said it seems to be harder because there is so much more going on. It always seems to be easier for people to pass between the ages os about 17-23. People just don't seem as bothered after that.

What do they base that theory on, prior experiance? ;)
 
I'm on 19.5k a year and I clear 1300 a month after tax, so it's probably around the 18k mark to hit 1200 a month.

As he's at uni it would be about £19k required after student loan. Think I worked out a month or two ago whilst bored at work, lower rate tax payers paying student loans get around £50 extra per month net every £1k extra gross they get per annum.
 
[TW]Fox;15500159 said:
I do love the notion that we are supposed to beleive that I get around is earning up to 1200 quid a month whilst a full time student.

You need what, £20k a year to clear 1200 quid a month after tax?

I earned more than that whilst being a full time student, it's possible...
 
My parents paid for 1 driving lesson for a week for me, anymore and I had to pay, I paid for my car, tax, insurance, then I paid for my bike (well 0% APR at the minute lol) and insurance on that.
 
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