What permanant, disabling injuries did any member of the family suffer as part of this 'even more violent' act?
Or alternatively, the court dates where fitness to stand trial/plea will be assessed haven't come up yet...
Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail
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What permanant, disabling injuries did any member of the family suffer as part of this 'even more violent' act?
Or alternatively, the court dates where fitness to stand trial/plea will be assessed haven't come up yet...
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In our democracy you are innocent until proven guilty (unless you work with children, but lets not go there today
)So you seriously believe that through his red mist of anger and rage he was thinking I'm only doing this because the British Justice system is so poor? Pull the other one the man had lost control and committed a serious attempted murder without any thought for the law or common sense.
To all those who say they would have done the same thing, I say shame on you I would have been in the house untying my wife and children and seeing to there needs not going on some macho power trip.
This is not the middle east our justice system does not involve captial punishment or other physical abuses. The last time I checked the punishment for false imprisonment and robbery was not being beaten to a pulp.
And the guy goes and does the same to another family, perhaps an elderly couple and one dies from a heart attack.. or maybe he jsut decides to stab the next family to death.. or maybe he decides to come back stab you and your family to death as he threatened to do.
Goodness you're a moody thing aren't you? Get out of the wrong side of bed? There there, it'll be ok. Oh and by the way, I'll do what the hell I like on the forums (whilst sticking the rules) thank you very much, but I appreciate your chastisement, I feel I know my place, thank you good sir. I'm glad you felt that replying to me wasn't a waste - makes feel warm and glowy inside.
You asked questions in a public forum.
I answered them in a reasonable manner.
You burbled out some condescending sarcasm castigating me for answering the questions you asked.
And you say I'm moody?
How amusing.
I could, but that would be a waste of my time. Perhaps someone else will do it for you.
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This ^
No offense but if you break in to someone's home and threaten to kill them and thier family i think its more than fair to say they have lost all their rights to anything.
Personaly i would have done the same, survival instinct kicks in. Who to say that if he left them run away they come back in the future and finish the job next time.
So you'd bin the criminal justice system and revert to the medieval system of outlawry, only without even bothering with a trial before declaring someone outlaw.
Are you sure that's what you want?
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Why should society protect people accused of a crime? Because society is supposed to be better than criminals.
"the liberal contingent" are advocating a justice system and the use of reasonable force, as opposed to people setting themselves up as judge, jury and executioner with a system of blood feuds. Chalk me up as a member of "the liberal contingent". Note that I'm not advocating allowing thugs free rein to kill people - that's what people like you are advocating. I'd have been fine with Mr Hussain chasing him down, beating him unconscious and tying him up before calling the police and I'd have been fine with someone fairly convicted of the initial crime being sentenced to years of unpleasant jail time, during which they'd be used as slave labour. That's liberal? Really?
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Oh yes, of course. I suppose if someone rapes your children and shoots your wife you can always tell them that you did not react violently because you are a better person than them.
Again the last time I checked MAYBE wasn't a justification for attmpted murder.
The criminal justice system is one of the building blocks of our society and is what seperates us from the savages, if you want to live in a country governed by rage and retribution then I pitty you. Is it acceptable for me to decide the appropriate punishment next time someone shunts my car at the traffic lights or spills my pint in the pub?
Did the person you are replying to say that ? nope from what what i can see.
Its all about this paticular case, and in this case i have no problem with what the homeowner did.
Except that is not what is being talked about here is it. Whats being talked about is that a guy who was threatned at knifepoint to be killed along with his wife and kids. Bit different to spilling a pint or getting your car shunted.
I think that all people want is the right to defend themselves and their families. And yes, it's still self defence even if they are running away from you. No other country in the world would have convicted Mr Hussain.
But if i was the judge i'd give him a reward, brain damage for all criminals - that'll teach them.Read about this yesterday and although the guy went a bit too far...I still say well done to him....he gave that guy a right good beating and so he should.
Just a shame that he gets 30mths while the thief walks away without any major punishment...well permanent brain damage is about what that **** deserves. The law and justice system in this country is nothing more than ass and a joke.
On another note looks like this is right up pratinum78....oops I mean platinum78s street seeing as anyone who looks at him funny, will find themselves in deep trouble :d:d
Just a shame that he gets 30mths while the thief walks away without any major punishment...well permanent brain damage is about what that **** deserves. The law and justice system in this country is nothing more than ass and a joke.
On another note looks like this is right up pratinum78....oops I mean platinum78s street seeing as anyone who looks at him funny, will find themselves in deep trouble :d:d
Yes.
They advocated a system in which a person accused of a crime is immediately stripped of all rights and legal protection (i.e. made an outlaw) without trial, on the authority of whoever accuses them.
Rubbish. Gathering a gang to hunt someone down and beat them to death (which is what he tried to do) is not self defence and any country with a legal system not based on outlawry and blood feuds would have convicted him.
I know adrenaline effects people in different ways, but if it were me I would have been happy chasing them out of the house and getting them away from my family.
I'm not adverse to violence I'm an MMA fighter, I rather enjoy it. But to me chasing someone down the street then beating them almost to death with a bat/pole whatever is not what your average Joe member of the public would deem normal.
I think you have to have something not right inside you to do something like that, whatever the situation.
I'm not adverse to violence I'm an MMA fighter, I rather enjoy it. But to me chasing someone down the street then beating them almost to death with a bat/pole whatever is not what your average Joe member of the public would deem normal.
I think you have to have something not right inside you to do something like that, whatever the situation.