Good point. I didn't know whether Harold Shipman was convicted or not, but I did know that Fred West wasn't.
So yes, those two are alleged murderers.
Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail
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Good point. I didn't know whether Harold Shipman was convicted or not, but I did know that Fred West wasn't.
So yes, those two are alleged murderers.
You consider it extremely odd to not declare people guilty without trial.
I consider that worrying.
Deary deary me. You're certainly sticking to your guns, I'll give you that.
Um... As I recall, yes.
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The guy was not convicted of burglary, so in the eyes of the law he is not a burglar, but an alleged burglar.
It seems funny to me, how we condemn a man for going to far, when he protects his family.
Yet, even tho we know the names of war criminals from Russia,(who murdered more people than Hitler) we ignore their crimes, (disgusting as they are), and allow them to walk freely in this country without fear of ever being arrested for their dastardly deeds.
Yet, even tho we know the names of war criminals from Russia,(who murdered more people than Hitler) we ignore their crimes, (disgusting as they are), and allow them to walk freely in this country without fear of ever being arrested for their dastardly deeds.
Which Russian war criminals do you have in mind that managed to kill more than 26 million people and are now living in this country?
Had they simply attempted to burgal Mr Hussain's property and then made a run for it, Mr Hussain would have no cause to give chase. However, the minute that they terrorised his family, by tying them up and threatening them...the gloves were off.
Didn't hurt them though did they?
He caught the man who did it, he was defenseless and he and his mates proceded to beat him nearly the death to the point of leaving his with permanent brain damage.
If anything this guy is considerably worse than the burgler.
No he isn't. He's a man who snapped when his family was tied up and their lives were threatened.
The burgler is a career criminal and a piece of human effluence.
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Bingo!
Saying your going to do something is massively different then actually doing it!
Words are cheap, actions speak louder than words ...etc ...etc
Exactly, his a very dangerous violent man who I'm very glad is off the streets atm.
I have been burgled before and it was a horribly frightening experience but I would still value a burglars life higher than a violent head case who has no regard for human life!
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Stupid example is stupid, grow up.
I am not looking for ,nor wanting, vengance what I want is punishment which is equal to the crime. Murderer? Yes capital punishment should apply in this case if there is enough room involved for there to be a reasonable appeal period and a time on "death row" as in America during which time if people are so sure that the the guilty party is in fact iinnocent, they then have time to search for evidence to prove his innocence.
And I am not bloodthirsty, I am not claiming we should run round chopping off limbs and killing everyone. Suitable and strong jail terms should be put on all other criminals such as the burglars in this instance. Not suspended sentences and community orders and other such rubbish which serve no ends. I have not get re-offending rates to hand for people on these sorts of sentences but I am certain they will be pretty damn high. Thats why they should be off the streets. I merely used the arab system as one which has strict laws which brings about a greater degree of lawfulness, not that there system is perfect at all.
Once again you take my example of outlaws too far just to justify your own arguements. I am not talking about people running around catching criminals, killing them and stringing them up. Nothing of the sort.
The "outlaw" arguement in a legal framework merely means that someone who acts outside of the law cannot then turn around and use the law for their own defense, nor does the law in any way, shape or form protect their rights.
Because you seem so dim or self-righteous here I will give you a clear example;
Burglar in someones house robbing someone, whilst he is "outside" of the law by acting unlawfully he cannot complain to the courts if he is stabbed or beaten etc whilst commiting that crime. Similarly murderes etc if you are acting outside of the law the law does not apply for you.
I am not going to talk about your own stupid example but it goes without saying that any legal doctrine needs lines drawn of what is acceptable and what is not. I am not here to write a new law because even if it was the most perfect peice of legal writing ever it would still be ignored
I am merely suggesting an idea which could work to control people who think the law should defend them whilst they are clearly the scum of the earth, it should not.As I said above and as you highlighted, in this case the guy went too far by the fact that he pursued them down the street with a gang and beat him to a bloody pulp. If however he himself had got a bat and whislt the robbery was taking place to defend himself and his own family had then proceed to brain the burglar I would have no complaints with what he had done.
Stupid example was from your own posts, including the relevant quoted text.
Yeah because he made a point of going round beating people to a pulp, as opposed to this poor unfortunate burgler who actually tied this mans family up and threatened to kill them. Hardly an innocent victim was he?
Did he kill anyone? No, did he actualy hurt anyone besides their fealing? no.
Did this guy then get his mates to carry out a violent, ruthless attack with the intent to kill him?
Yes.
Whose the better person? Heres a hint, it's not the burgler.
I would much rather be punched several times, than be tied up in my own home, while someone stands over me, with weapons making threats.
Mental injuries can be a lot more serious than physical injury.
How the hell did they manage to get 'life' for theft?
He tied the mans family up and said he would kill them. the fact that he tied the family up doesn't inspire confidence that he was just trying to hurt their feelings now does it?
Where have I said what the man did was right?
And as for your condecending finish, shove it up your arse.
