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Both my parents are pretty open about what the future might hold etc, and they want to make sure that everything they worked hard for is passed down to us. They are both around 60 so have asked us if we have any ideas to secure things of value should the worst happen (they have to be put into an old folks home).

Now I know they can't just give us the house, as even if they do the gov can go back as far as they like and claim it back. Does anyone have any experience to get round this? I was thinking of buying the house off them and having them pay a fairly high rent to get the money back (pay off mortage quickly), but I assume the rent will be subject to income tax?

Cheers for any help provided!
 
Both my parents are pretty open about what the future might hold etc, and they want to make sure that everything they worked hard for is passed down to us. They are both around 60 so have asked us if we have any ideas to secure things of value should the worst happen (they have to be put into an old folks home).

Now I know they can't just give us the house, as even if they do the gov can go back as far as they like and claim it back. Does anyone have any experience to get round this? I was thinking of buying the house off them and having them pay a fairly high rent to get the money back (pay off mortage quickly), but I assume the rent will be subject to income tax?

Cheers for any help provided!

part buy part hand it over.
 
Get them to put the house in your name. 7 years after this happens they can't touch you for inheritance tax on it... as far as i'm still aware anyways.
 
Get them to put the house in your name. 7 years after this happens they can't touch you for inheritance tax on it... as far as i'm still aware anyways.
A PET. However there's all kinds of issues if they still live in it. They make you pay income tax on a gift you still receive benefit from, iirc something about having to pay full rent at market value or some such.
 
If they live in that house or gain benefit from the gift its different.

Pre-owned Assets Tax

The pre-owned assets tax (“POAT”) was introduced in the tax year 2005/06 and levies a charge to income tax on some previously successful inheritance tax planning schemes. The purpose of this note is briefly to outline some of POAT’s main features and to provide a rough guide as to the circumstances when this complicated tax might apply.

A basic principle of inheritance tax is that if you give assets away, but continue to get some benefit from them, the gift is ineffective for inheritance tax purposes – the “gift with reservation of benefits” rules. These rules are fairly all encompassing, but over time various planning methods evolved to get around them. Although it would be possible to block these “loopholes”, they are instead countered by POAT.

POAT has two remarkable characteristics, one is that income tax is being used as an anti-avoidance measure for inheritance tax planning; the other is that it affects all transactions entered into since 17th March 1986. It thus mixes up the income tax and inheritance tax regimes, and is retrospective.

The main points to look out for are as follows: -

* It can catch transactions entered into since 17th March 1986.

* POAT applies principally to transactions involving land and chattels – tangible assets – as these were the assets people commonly sought to give away, but retain some benefit from. It can also apply to intangible assets held in trust, but this note focuses only on POAT’s application to tangible assets.

* POAT does not apply to “pre-owned assets” which are treated as still belonging to the taxpayer because of the gift with reservation of benefits rules, or to assets for which a market rent is paid.

* POAT applies where an individual: -

(i) occupies land, or has the use of chattels; and

(ii) has either;

* disposed of the land/chattels now being occupied/used; or
* directly or indirectly contributed cash or other assets to buy the land/chattels now being occupied/used.

* If POAT applies then, put very simply, a charge to income tax will be levied as follows: -

(i) on the rental value of the land; or

(ii) in the case of chattels, based on 5% of their capital value.

* Any rental already being paid under a legal obligation is set off against the amount that is subject to POAT.

* If the total sum chargeable to POAT is less than £5,000, it is exempt. However, if it exceeds £5,000 by even £1, the whole amount will be taxable. If the taxpayer is a higher rate taxpayer the rate of tax will be at 40%.

* Taxpayers had until 31 January 2007 to elect whether to opt out of the POAT regime, but whilst this would save POAT, the assets in question would then be treated as forming part of the taxpayers’ estate for inheritance tax purposes.

The rules are extremely complex, and this is only a brief outline of the main points. Many transactions that had nothing to do with inheritance tax planning may also be caught by it – for example, arrangements between cohabitees buying property together and intra-family equity release schemes.
 
I thought the x number of years thing was inheritance... which we aren't too worried about as the amount will fall under the threshold. The problem is if they go into a home the goverment will want to claw back the costs, which I thought they could claim back no matter how old the 'gift' was (except if we were living in the house, which we wont be).

Thanks for the feedback so far - gives me a good starting point for searching.
 
Both my parents are pretty open about what the future might hold etc, and they want to make sure that everything they worked hard for is passed down to us. They are both around 60 so have asked us if we have any ideas to secure things of value should the worst happen (they have to be put into an old folks home).

Now I know they can't just give us the house, as even if they do the gov can go back as far as they like and claim it back. Does anyone have any experience to get round this? I was thinking of buying the house off them and having them pay a fairly high rent to get the money back (pay off mortage quickly), but I assume the rent will be subject to income tax?

Cheers for any help provided!

Has their house been valued at £325,000 or more?
 
Because you work all your life, paying taxes throughout, then when you die you have to pay more tax, just to give what you worked for to your family.

I don't know how anyone can justify what is effectively being taxed to die.

Inherited wealth is pretty unjustifiable

Why should you get for nothing what other people have to work their fingers to the bone for, just because you happened to know someone rich? That's what's disgusting. It perpetuates inequality and hamstrings meritocracy.

Besides, it only kicks in on inheritances greater than £325,000 and frankly if you're inheriting that much you deserve to be taxed to the hilt
 
Inherited wealth is pretty unjustifiable

Why should you get for nothing what other people have to work their fingers to the bone for, just because you happened to know someone rich? That's what's disgusting. It perpetuates inequality and hamstrings meritocracy.

Besides, it only kicks in on inheritances greater than £325,000 and frankly if you're inheriting that much you deserve to be taxed to the hilt

So what are your thoughts on lottery winners and the like? They get far more than for being lucky, the same luck as being born into a rich family.

And why do you 'deserve' to get taxed just for having wealthy family? You make it sound like a punishment :confused:
 
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Inherited wealth is pretty unjustifiable

Why should you get for nothing what other people have to work their fingers to the bone for, just because you happened to know someone rich?

Is it so wrong to wish to pass on to your family what you have accumulated in a lifetime? You can't take it with you, why should the Government have it? They've been having their slice since the very first day you ever paid direct or indirect tax.
 
So what are your thoughts on lottery winners and the like? They get far more than for being lucky, the same luck as being born into a rich family.

And why do you 'deserve' to get taxed just for having wealthy family? You make it sound like a punishment :confused:

Lottery winners are undeserving of their wealth, of course they are—would anyone seriously think that lottery winners deserve their millions? They just got lucky, in the same way that people get lucky to be born to a rich family.

We should, as far as possible, work towards creating equality of opportunity for all people. For as long as you can gain significant material wealth from an accident of birth (not to mention concomitant advantages like private schooling), that's never going to happen.
 
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