Associate
- Joined
- 22 May 2003
- Posts
- 492
- Location
- Derby
Why believe in the Bible when you have the Quran? They can't both be right.
I wish I could be religious
- Thread starter apeZ
- Start date
Man of Honour
- Joined
- 17 Nov 2003
- Posts
- 36,750
- Location
- Southampton, UK
Lets keep this on topic. You don't have to believe in both.
A religion that doesn't worship the same God may make a better point.
From my understanding the notation is more precise than that, there were dots and hashes used to better indicate what the word actually meant. But I have to say I don't have much knowledge in this area. But still the differences considering all possible variations of different words doesn't dent the bible's integrity.
Of course it does.
Do you question the stories in the bible? Do you question if jesus was ever born or if he actually performed miracles? If yes what made you believe it was in fact true?
Of course many christians decide that many parts of the bible didn't happen for real but how do you know which did and didn't. IMO there's a bit too picking and choosing of what did and didn't happen for it to be a book to live your life by.
Thats not true.
Not as much as you think. Don't you think that skeptics over the years have tried?
Associate
- Joined
- 22 May 2003
- Posts
- 492
- Location
- Derby
Sorry, my point was that religion is not the same for everybody. It's like 10 vs 1 when relgiious people fight atheism or the lack of belief.
Soldato
- Joined
- 9 Jan 2008
- Posts
- 6,532
- Location
- London/Camberley
That's the funniest thing I've read in a very long time. I'm a Hindu, don't believe everything in the Bible and yet attend Imperial College, a university dedicated to Sciences...I must be living life wrongly for being somewhat spiritual/religious and yet a scientist...
It's a shame some people can't be a bit more open minded.
You seem to be ignoring your own points and my replies to them, however, I'll give you one last bone.
What sources did the collators (probably a more correct term) of the King James bible use? Also, which sources did those very sources use?
Unfortunately, and probably much to your shock, not every place in the Christian world had or has access to the original text. In these cases they used the most readily available version, I'm going to say in the vast majority of cases it would've been the Latin text. Itself a translation..
I'm even going to ignore the fact that many Gospels didn't make the cut and the editors most certainly weren't God, Jesus or his merry band of disciples.
Last edited:
I can give you 3
Chavs - found any religious ones? I haven't either!
Divorce - you may be having all the fun, but when you end up getting a family together, and end up having a one night stand while your wife is looking after the kids, well...
Most of my mates are athiest and guess what? The majority of their parents are divorced!Happiness - was actually on the news that religious folk are more content in life than non-religious.
Last edited:
Give me a break. Give me an example of an act of good performed by a person of faith, that could not be performed by an atheist? I put it to you, that you cannot.I can give you a couple
Chavs - found any religious ones? I haven't either!
Divorce - you may be having all the fun, but when you end up getting a family together, and end up having a one night stand while your wife is looking after the kids, well...
Happiness - was actually on the news that religious folk are more content in life than non-religious. Thats because athiest lifestyles are more...materialistic? I suppose?
Your edit: Happiness - was actually on the news that religious folk are more content in life than non-religious.
As for religion making people better, I ask you to think of an act of hatrid, or malice commited by a person of religion, that would not be performed by an atheist? Oh wait, you've already thought of one! Religion does anything but make people morally better, or better in any way.
(Borrowed/stolen from Christopher Hitchens).
I never said that an act of good cannot be performed by an athiest. Do you think I have atheist friends just so I can feel better than them? Erm...No.
Same applies here as well. I never implied this
Well I didn't answer you point because I didn't know enough about what those people did to "spread" religion.
The original sources.
They probably wouldn't understand the original text anyway, so they would have acquired a bible similar to their language and learnt that language. Until someone with enough understanding of their language would be able to translate one properly for them.
The original sources.
They probably wouldn't understand the original text anyway, so they would have acquired a bible similar to their language and learnt that language. Until someone with enough understanding of their language would be able to translate one properly for them.
Last edited:
Soldato
- Joined
- 22 Aug 2005
- Posts
- 9,136
- Location
- Clydebank
I can give you 3
Chavs - found any religious ones? I haven't either!
Yes, but it's not as if they cease to exist when you become religious. They're still there.
Divorce - you may be having all the fun, but when you end up getting a family together, and end up having a one night stand while your wife is looking after the kids, well...
Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything. I don't believe that atheists have a higher divorce rate than religious people.
That's entirely subjective. And considering that religious people have to spend more time moderating their behaviour than atheists, I'd suspect that there's a lot more unhappy ones out there.
I never said that an act of good cannot be performed by an athiest. Do you think I have atheist friends just so I can feel better than them? Erm...No.
Same applies here as well. I never implied this
I know you never said that a good act cannot be performed by an atheist, but I never implied such a thing. What I asked you was whether you could think of a morally good act, performed by a believer, that could not be performed by an atheist. I asked this because you did imply that people of faith are somehow morally and/or ethically superior to those who aren't of faith.
I know you never said that a good act cannot be performed by an atheist, but I never implied such a thing. What I asked you was whether you could think of a morally good act, performed by a believer, that could not be performed by an atheist. I asked this because you did imply that people of faith are somehow morally and/or ethically superior to those who aren't of faith.
Thats because Evangelion said
'I can't imagine why anyone would want to be religious. Firstly, it opens up a world of hurt. Secondly, atheists have all the fun. '
Thus implying that Athiests do not hurt anybody and so implying that Athiests are superior to Thiests.
Only standing my ground here
Hey, I didn't open the can of worms!