But dolph there have been many tests done and black people on average have a lower iq than a white person.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-154167375.html
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But dolph there have been many tests done and black people on average have a lower iq than a white person.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-154167375.html
Dolph if your argument is so strong, why do you repeatedly resort to the straw man argument that race is simply skin colour, when the truth is that skin colour is but one visible aspect of race. I think it speaks volumes. Hopefully people can see through such tactics when they see them used by yourself and others
What other visible, physical aspects are involved?
And many of the test have been done with families that have been well educated for 100 years and they have found that black peoples average iq has not changed in the 100 years.
Considering the constantly changing status of the IQ test I find that very hard to belive.
So? You've still not demonstrated that correlation = causation...
We've debated this before and I've explained in full (as if you really don't know). I don't believe your memory is that bad that you've forgotten already, so I can only assume this feigned ignorance is a debating tactic. Which would be an odd tactic to employ if you are so sure you are right.
Strangely, I would say your insistence that this has been clarified satisfactorily in the past a debating/stalling tactic...
You've been asked many times to clarify your exact views, and never to my knowledge actually done so...
I was more looking at these.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14137403&postcount=101
And this pair of posts.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9703269&postcount=1030
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9703340&postcount=1033
Alternatively, let me ask another question. Can I be a member of the white race if my skin is not white? I mean, by the definition given on your wiki page
Then if my grandmother was half-caste, or black, or asian, but the rest of my family tree white, I would be racially white, irrespective of the actual colour of my skin.
Would I be able to join the BNP?
Would you believe I was racially white if that was the situation?
But you stated -
"The idea of race separated by visual characteristics is certainly arbitrary, there is no basis for it genetically, for example."
Well skin colour is genetically determined is it not. There are very good sociological reasons why people see differing skin colours as not "belonging to their tribe" - and I am sure you realise that such inherent prejudice "of those that do not belong with us" was genetically advantageous from a historical point of view and may well still be in some more modern derivation. And sight being our strongest sense and also the most subjective to the brain plays a key part here with this logic.
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I don't know much about the science of this, but to say that it is only skin colour which is the major difference between races simply isn't true. If you changed the pigmentation of a white man to black, and vice versa does anybody really think they would look totally normal? Hair, eyes (colour and shape etc.), bone structure and countless other differences are easily noticable other than colour.
Personally I couldn't give a monkey's provervials what race people are, but I have now joined the crowd that thinks there are too many immigrants in this country. We've always had lots of immigration in the past, but the only times it has been this high (proportionately to the rest of the population) has been when these lands were conquered (Roman, Angles/Saxons, Normans etc.). Naturally, when change, even when peaceful, happens so rapidly not everyone likes it.
I would possibly support a reasonable nationalist party (no chance for the BNP then) but my main political concerns lie with environmentalism so the Greens get my vote. Having said that, I find it very hard to envisage a non Labour/Tory government anytime remotely soon. It would have to take something to really rattle up the country, and obviously nobody wants that.
With regards to Islam4UK, I don't have an issue with them. I totally disagree with what they stand for but I am a real believer in free speech. And I can empathise with their cause. For me it's quite hard to imagine being so staunchly religious, but these people appear to be so. Many write them off as just people wishing to incite hate, but I don't believe that. I reckon they speak the truth when they voice their opinions about the aggression from the West against the Muslim world, as they see it. It's also one of the reasons I'm not a fan of so-called multiculturalism...
In theory, it sound like a really nice idea. People from all across the world coming to the West to form a huge melting pot of just about every culture of the globe. I believe the problem is that not all cultures are compatible. If people fully integrate, then it doesn't matter where you come from. I feel that troubles can arise when people arrive in vast numbers and do very little in the way of integrating. This is more a problem with some cultures than others, depending on who is migrating to where. A lot of Canadians moving to America probably wouldn't change things much, but a few million Brits moving to Saudi Arabia might cause a few issues.
Anyways, I used to be very patriotic but I'm finding it hard to even like this country anymore. It's certainly not all down to immigration, but I do believe it is one of many issues contributing to the cause. Perhaps ironically, I wish to emigrate someday. But I won't be a hypocrite and fail to integrate accordingly.
Personally I couldn't give a monkey's provervials what race people are, but I have now joined the crowd that thinks there are too many immigrants in this country. We've always had lots of immigration in the past, but the only times it has been this high (proportionately to the rest of the population) has been when these lands were conquered (Roman, Angles/Saxons, Normans etc.). Naturally, when change, even when peaceful, happens so rapidly not everyone likes it.
I would possibly support a reasonable nationalist party (no chance for the BNP then) but my main political concerns lie with environmentalism so the Greens get my vote. Having said that, I find it very hard to envisage a non Labour/Tory government anytime remotely soon. It would have to take something to really rattle up the country, and obviously nobody wants that.
With regards to Islam4UK, I don't have an issue with them. I totally disagree with what they stand for but I am a real believer in free speech. And I can empathise with their cause. For me it's quite hard to imagine being so staunchly religious, but these people appear to be so. Many write them off as just people wishing to incite hate, but I don't believe that. I reckon they speak the truth when they voice their opinions about the aggression from the West against the Muslim world, as they see it. It's also one of the reasons I'm not a fan of so-called multiculturalism...
In theory, it sound like a really nice idea. People from all across the world coming to the West to form a huge melting pot of just about every culture of the globe. I believe the problem is that not all cultures are compatible. If people fully integrate, then it doesn't matter where you come from. I feel that troubles can arise when people arrive in vast numbers and do very little in the way of integrating. This is more a problem with some cultures than others, depending on who is migrating to where. A lot of Canadians moving to America probably wouldn't change things much, but a few million Brits moving to Saudi Arabia might cause a few issues.
Anyways, I used to be very patriotic but I'm finding it hard to even like this country anymore. It's certainly not all down to immigration, but I do believe it is one of many issues contributing to the cause. Perhaps ironically, I wish to emigrate someday. But I won't be a hypocrite and fail to integrate accordingly.
someone explain this to me, where i used to work was full of lithuania'ns and polish, there skin colour is white so my rant here is not based on skin colour.
anyway my old job working in a factory had maybe 60% of the said nationality, the other 40% or so english. i and maybe 7 others were forced out of the company because apparently the company had to lay off people due to work shortage. this was crap, and within a week a mate of mine at the company told me they rehired more polish and lithuania'ns.
i applied for agency work the other day, who answers? mr bogdan from pakistan somewhere. so not only am i out of work still, packistans working in this country are supposedly there to help me get a job.
so not only are all centres based in india, polish/lithuanian's and other nationalities are forcing us out of work, we also have god knows how many foreigners playing english football (if you can call it english), and pakistan/muslims living everywhere.
now i dont know about you lot, but i cant stand these ******* muslims and packistani/ other nationalities in this country.
to top it all off, the queen has german blood?!
how are we supposed to get jobs and houses when these rubbish are taking over????
anyway my old job working in a factory had maybe 60% of the said nationality, the other 40% or so english. i and maybe 7 others were forced out of the company because apparently the company had to lay off people due to work shortage. this was crap, and within a week a mate of mine at the company told me they rehired more polish and lithuania'ns.
i applied for agency work the other day, who answers? mr bogdan from pakistan somewhere. so not only am i out of work still, packistans working in this country are supposedly there to help me get a job.
so not only are all centres based in india, polish/lithuanian's and other nationalities are forcing us out of work, we also have god knows how many foreigners playing english football (if you can call it english), and pakistan/muslims living everywhere.
now i dont know about you lot, but i cant stand these ******* muslims and packistani/ other nationalities in this country.
to top it all off, the queen has german blood?!
how are we supposed to get jobs and houses when these rubbish are taking over????