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The 380gtx won't beat the 5970, and it won't be available most likely, the 360gtx most certainly won't beat a 5970, and it might cost about the same.
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My take on that would be in VERY limited situations and largely because the GF100 has some VERY specific 8xaa optimisations it can beat 2xgt200 at very high res. Thats gt200, not GT200b, so in very rare 8xaa situations only it can be 2x280gtx's.
As said they won't and don't beat the refresh parts in the same way, as neither company ever has or likely will. But remember, read though the architecture info, it very much has some very specific scenario's where it as quite large improvements to 8xaa performance, and only 8xaa performance, it doesn't claim in any graphs to beat it anywhere but with 8xaa at uber high res. Which to me suggests in any real use situation it will highly highly unlikely ever beat 280gtx in SLI in the vast majority of games, resolutions and settings.
Then you have to keep in mind this is the 512sp part with unknown clock speeds, what cards we get released, we don't know. Will we ever see this part benchmarked at XXXX speed, we don't know. But most information and Nvidia's own backing off from 512sp for their Tesla parts does indicated 512sp parts with wide availability is highly unlikely, meaning at 448SP for the main release part you won't get these figures.
I want a 512sp part at £300, I'd buy one.... probably or a £200 448sp version, but in reality, we'll probably see the 448sp part at £350+ and a 512sp part at £450+.
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I'll wait till reviews from tech report etc.
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They "should" know by now as they won't have started production yet without A3 silicon being back, meaning they have and must have tested it to a certain degree. I'd say the benchmarks/performance teasers they've given us are likely the single fastest core they got back and working and I doubt we'll see the very few performance claims we've seen, from shipping cards.
AMD have crappy yields, TSMC say they have crappy yields in general, the world says TSMC have crappy yields, Nvidia say AMD have crappy yields........leads to the conclusion Nvidia have crappy yields.
I would think that the reason they haven't stated clockspeeds is if they tell us what the best cores can do, and then on release the only ones you can buy at 25% lower with less SP's there would be more dissappointment than being vague as heck now. I'd guess they know what their best uber clocked limited edition review models will be clocked at, but probably need some very intense binning to find clocks on their lower SP salvaged parts. Then its probably not in their best interest right now to publically say yes that speed is with 1.6Ghz shader clocks, but the only one you'll be able to buy is a 448SP part with 1.2Ghz clocks, because the majority can do some basic guessing and come up with 30-40% less performance from that part and it starts to look nasty.
Until release, to hold off people going AMD they won't want to confirm anything in relation to clocks, availability of what parts and the idea that maybe the only widely available parts will have significantly lower SP's and clocks.
If that wasn't the case, as per usual, why wouldn't they be shouting it from the rooftops. You know that when you cards launch, everything from the slowest to the fastest part will destroy anything AMD have, I can't think of a single reason to not be telling people, the only reason to not tell people is, it won't.
It wasn't a full release of all info, its just want Nvidia want you to know, theres no specifics on its tesselation "engine", block diagrams can represent whatever the heck you want, no one had cards, no one tested or benchmarked them and no one has specs, so tech report can't tell you a single thing any of the other reviews haven't said. WHich is basically, without everything Anandtech listed, no one can possible tell from the information given if its the worlds worst gfx card, the worlds best, or somewhere inbetween.
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No doubt fanboys from green team and red team will fight XD.
It looks to me like nvidia are dribbling information out so that the people waiting to upgrade their card will continue to wait.
I think it's going to be too hot, too power-hungry and too expensive and all for the same reason - too many transistors. But I don't care, as I'm not in the market for a new card anyway.
I think it's going to be too hot, too power-hungry and too expensive and all for the same reason - too many transistors. But I don't care, as I'm not in the market for a new card anyway.
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I tend to agree.
But... I hope they do pull it off. Competition is good for prices, or i wouldn't have had to pay £530 for my card.
The NDA is expired, that's not nvidia intentionally dribbling information or they must have planned this weeks in advance...
That said, it's working though... I've got a 5850 on order since last friday and I'm seriously thinking of canceling it and getting a 5870/90, prices should come down between now and soon?
That said, it's working though... I've got a 5850 on order since last friday and I'm seriously thinking of canceling it and getting a 5870/90, prices should come down between now and soon?
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Hardly fair comparing Nvidia's latest with ATI tech that will have been out for 7 months, they should compare to 5890
Nice job Nvidia though if those numbers turn out to be true and are representative of other games. It will cost over £500 though.
people are getting more than 27fps on there 5870's also.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18069717&highlight=benchmark
shame it doesn't say what res they're running etc
edit: just noticed it's only a 60sec snapshot of one test?!!! why can't they show the full run?
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So that's all 
i now know as much about it as i did yesterday and that's what is passing for any sort of annoucement these days. Seriously they need to give more out if they want people to wait for their cards because right now it's a bit like being told "well it will be faster but were not that confident exactly how much faster so please don't buy a competitors card as ours MIGHT be significantly better".
Come on nvidia you have to be able to do better then that by now surely you have something more relelvent to pass onto people waiting.
i now know as much about it as i did yesterday and that's what is passing for any sort of annoucement these days. Seriously they need to give more out if they want people to wait for their cards because right now it's a bit like being told "well it will be faster but were not that confident exactly how much faster so please don't buy a competitors card as ours MIGHT be significantly better".Come on nvidia you have to be able to do better then that by now surely you have something more relelvent to pass onto people waiting.
I think Hardcop hit the nail on the head when they suggested that there wasdn't any further information as they don't want to hurt their shareprice which can only mean disappointing news.
After reading all the links the summary does indeed seem to be as follows:
1. Fermi faster than 5870 but we're not saying by how much and in which games
2. Fermi needs more power than a 5870
3. Although faster than a 5870 we're not saying how much more money it will be.
4. Fermi excels at tesselation so that will be the next thing we will be pushing now after physx since the Fermi will show the biggest gains over a 5870 in heavily tesselation games. Expect the first heavily tesselation game benchmarks to be used in all Nvidia PR releases just like Batman was.
So like most of you, I am still none to wiser. Tbh whatever Nvidia comes out with I will be happy with my 7 months from my sub £200 5850. I really hope they bring out gtx380 for under £300 and I would upgrade my 5850 then. Somehow, I can see my 5850 staying in my system for some time to come and the 5850 remaining the king of the bang for buck.
My overclocked 5850 is already way faster than a stock 5870 so even if Fermi is 20 to 30% faster, it won't be worth me spending more than £200 to upgrade. I may as well drop a 2nd 5850 in and have better performance.
Like Drunken though from what i have seen of nvidia's new architecture and i admit i am in no way good at that sort of thng their way of doing tessalation looks like there could be quite dramatic performance hits once the shaders have to be used for other things which will most likely happen in any new game.
Having read a couple of sites not all i just get the feeling this was a very wasted oppurtunity that no company would have wasted if they were A, confident of their product and B, happy with what they had on their hands. I may be completely wrong and hope i am because i wouldn't mind a second 70 in my system but only when prices come down which will only happen if nviida are comeptitive but right now i have my doubts.
Having read a couple of sites not all i just get the feeling this was a very wasted oppurtunity that no company would have wasted if they were A, confident of their product and B, happy with what they had on their hands. I may be completely wrong and hope i am because i wouldn't mind a second 70 in my system but only when prices come down which will only happen if nviida are comeptitive but right now i have my doubts.
