Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

[britboy4321]

I wouldn't want you to be PM, because your views have no correlation with reality...

Too radical. You should have said 'some of your views'.

Now I can just say 'I believe it is not good to abuse kids' and then challenge you to prove why that has 'no correlation with reality'.

See what I mean? Don't be so definate, it just makes it all too easy for me.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

He was the world leader in trying.

He isn't a world leader - quit deluding yourself. He hasn't led anything, and in things where he should have been leading, he has failed to do so (Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy etc).

Brown's lack of attention to Ireland has undone so much of Tony Blair's (and his cabinet's) good work.

Gordon Brown is a ditherer and a bad international politician.

 

[Luseac]

43% would vote for that ***** Cameron? What has this country come to.

my thoughts as well but I don't think it take very long for people to hate Cameron and his lot as much as labour now, eps has he been all talk and ye said little or nothing

I have absolutely no trust in Brown, but I'd rather have him as PM, or labour as a whole, than an Etonian and Oxford educated actor who has abolutely no passion. Oh, and those are the words of his old Oxford Uni tutor that I saw in a documentary about him a while ago.

God I cannot stand that man, but I know he's going to be the next PM and that scares the living daylights out of me.

Yay for more class based jibes! I still don't understand how someone who has had the best education available is a bad thing? But I guess it's more old-labour jealousy and general hatred for the successful or anyone that happens to speak well. Also the international comment is comical, Cameron is a good old fashioned Englishman who will woo Americans and hopefully most of the world.

As for the policy argument look what happens whenever Cameron announces any policy's... They get stolen by Labour, it's no wonder Cameron wants to keep his cards close to his chest.

Whenever I read any negative stuff about Cameron it's either class based jealousy or the old policy argument that i've addressed above. Brown on the other hand is somehow amazing despite seeing everything he and indeed labour have done over the past 13 years...Makes you wonder if people go around with their eyes closed. oh no, my mistake... They're just labour fanboys who would hate to see an etonian at the top.

 

[britboy4321]

He isn't a world leader - quit deluding yourself. He hasn't led anything, and in things where he should have been leading, he has failed to do so (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc).

He led the fight against Mugabe.

Therefore, as you said 'he hsan't led ANYTHING' and I have given an example of where he did lead, I have proved you wrong.


Again.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

He led the fight against Mugabe.

What is your source? Anything to back this up?

 

[robgmun]

Ok lets try this again...from the top

my thoughts as well but I don't think it take very long for people to hate Cameron and his lot as much as labour now, eps has he been all talk and ye said little or nothing

Of course not, why say anything at all? Labour would just steal his policies and they have been goading him to revile them for a couple of years now. He has repeatedly said..." if you want to know what we are going to do, call an election"

I have absolutely no trust in Brown, but I'd rather have him as PM, or labour as a whole, than an Etonian and Oxford educated actor who has abolutely no passion. Oh, and those are the words of his old Oxford Uni tutor that I saw in a documentary about him a while ago.

Firstly it's been a while since his oxford days, people can grow and change. Secondly i don't know what passion has anything to do with it, you seem happy enough with brown despite having less passion than Cameron. Also you mentioned "Etonian and Oxford educated actor" sorry but that is pure reverse snobbery right there, why is bad for him to have a decent education? I prefer someone who has a decent education to be running the country

I know .. David Cameron standing on the steps of the White house with Barack Obama shaking his hand, with all the world leaders there ..

Compared to Gordon Brown, Barack (and the rest) are gonna be thinking 'Who sent this snotty nosed posh kid?'

Just embarrassing! Does he really scream 'top international statesman' to, well, anyone at all?

Again that sounds like pure reverse snobbery right there again. Personally i think Cameron looks much more stateman like than Brown and far less embassering than Brown, like when brown went to international conferances a while back and everyone practiclly ignored him, that's just embarrassing!!!!

 

[Rich_L]

Interesting snippet from this BBC blog

Particularly:

Last month the FT asked 71 top economists whether they thought the government should tighten this year - or leave it til 2011. Thirty-three said wait. Thirty-one said make a start this year.

If anything, the Lib Dem's 'wait and see' approach seems to be the most realistic, rather than the other parties' commitments to keep spending or start cutting, depending on where your affiliations lie.

Brown's lack of attention to Ireland has undone so much of Tony Blair's (and his cabinet's) good work.

What's your opinion on the recent 'secret' meetings that were held between the Tory front bench and the Unionist parties? Yet more naivety from the Tory leader or unashamed political manoeuvring with scant regard to the implications for the NI peace process?

 

[britboy4321]

What is your source? Anything to back this up?

Its common knowledge. I could put up 300 links but I know how the game works .. let me write your response to the links for you

1) From the 'Guardian' eh? Well thats a really socialist paper
2) From the 'BBC'? May as well have linked 'communist worker'
3) From a neutral government report? Yea neutral I bet Biased
4) From anyone else non-governmental? Well they're lying
5) From anyone else governmental? Well they're biased
6) OMG you believe 'Politicstoday.com'? OMG you're a silly head
7) yea but this OTHER report from 'we_hate_peasents.com' completely contradicts what you say

etc. etc. yadda yadda ..


As I said, it's simply common knowledge. You prove to me David Cameron isn't a T1000 sent from the future by using links. I bet you can't. Bet I can destroy any source that says he is a human being not a cyborg. Go for it. it's whats called 'common knowledge', which if someone is prepared to ignore (like yourself on Brown on Zimbabwae even though the CONSERVATIVES couldn't think of anything bad to say about his actions), makes further discussion pointless.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Its common knowledge. I could put up 300 links but I know how the game works .. let me write your response to the links for you

So rather than back up your assertion with anything credible, you've chosen to 'invent' some responses I might give to your citation?

Grow up, little kid.

 

[Dolph]

I mean he tried harder than any other country. He was saying he's not attending the EU Summit in Portugal if Mugabe is there. Basically he did everything in his power to try and stop the rot.

OK it achieved little, but that's kind of by-the-by. He was the world leader in trying. The conservatives have remained dead silent about his Zimbabwae policy which is telling. What should he have done? Just not bothered? If he did that now YOU would be saying 'he was terrible on Zimbabwae'.

If you agree that Brown has done some stuff right, you'll be harder to debate against. Zimbabwae would be a good one for you to throw your sticks in with as everyone saw he did the best he could to end the regime, leading the world.

I do agree that Brown and Labour have done a few things right, just not very many, or they have been nullified by their other errors. (for example, some of their stimulus measures were good, but their abject economic incompetence during the good times rendered them a bad idea due to the severe debt we have been incurring).

Too radical. You should have said 'some of your views'.

Now I can just say 'I believe it is not good to abuse kids' and then challenge you to prove why that has 'no correlation with reality'.

See what I mean? Don't be so definate, it just makes it all too easy for me.

We'll compromise and go with 'most of your political and economic views' then

 

[scorza]

Brown's lack of attention to Ireland has undone so much of Tony Blair's (and his cabinet's) good work.

Wasn't the point of Tony Blair and his cabinet's work that the Norn Irish were supposed to govern themselves, so the British PM didn't have to pay them as much attention?

Personally I'm satisfied with the way Brown has represented Britain on the world stage regarding the banking crisis, climate change and the response to the Haiti earthquake. Not so satisfied with his work on Afghanistan. Although to be fair I've no reason to think Cameron wouldn't be as good or better.

 

[britboy4321]

As for the policy argument look what happens whenever Cameron announces any policy's... They get stolen by Labour, it's no wonder Cameron wants to keep his cards close to his chest.
op.

Surely you agree Cameron should put the needs of the country ahead of his own.

If he has thought of an amazing policy of course he should tell us (and by proxy Labour) immediately, for the good of the English people - so it can be implemented as soon as possible. There are logically only 2 reasons for him not doing so

1) Cameron thinks getting power is more important than the English people enjoying his amazing policy ideas early, therefore keeps them a secret

or

2) Cameron hasn't really got any ideas but he can't exactly say that now can he?

Because by logical definition it HAS to be (1) or (2).

Bet no tories can answer the question though.

he could announce ALL the policies at a press conference meaning he still gets 100% credit for them TODAY and give Labour the chance of using them to HELP THE BRITISH PEOPLE. But no -- he's choosing to say 'They're a big secret'. Do you guys honestly not see what is happening here?

 

[Dolph]

Interesting snippet from this BBC blog

Particularly:

If anything, the Lib Dem's 'wait and see' approach seems to be the most realistic, rather than the other parties' commitments to keep spending or start cutting, depending on where your affiliations lie.

I'd actually agree, the Lib Dems are finally starting to talk some sense economically, now they just need to move back to their liberal roots, rather than liberal on some stuff, and we're getting better.

Looking at the local view, my vote could well be tactical anyway, but I am getting less and less adverse to voting lib dem again than I have been since Paddy was in charge.

What's your opinion on the recent 'secret' meetings that were held between the Tory front bench and the Unionist parties? Yet more naivety from the Tory leader or unashamed political manoeuvring with scant regard to the implications for the NI peace process?

More like reviving old links, although whether it is a good idea or not is probably open to debate. I'm unsure, it will depend really on the stability and success of the peace process. Sinn Fein have gained a lot from 'legitimacy', and therefore have a fair bit to lose.

 

[Ciao bella]

Other for me. Really dont think cameron will be any better when he gets in.

 

[Dolph]

Surely you agree Cameron should put the needs of the country ahead of his own.

If he has thought of an amazing policy of course he should tell us (and by proxy Labour) immediately, for the good of the English people - so it can be implemented as soon as possible. There are logically only 2 reasons for him not doing so

1) Cameron thinks getting power is more important than the English people enjoying his amazing policy ideas early, therefore keeps them a secret

or

2) Cameron hasn't really got any ideas but he can't exactly say that now can he?

Because by logical definition it HAS to be (1) or (2).

Bet no tories can answer the question though.

he could announce ALL the policies at a press conference meaning he still gets 100% credit for them TODAY and give Labour the chance of using them to HELP THE BRITISH PEOPLE. But no -- he's choosing to say 'They're a big secret'. Do you guys honestly not see what is happening here?

The last time this occurred (Oct 2008), Labour promptly stole the policy (inheritance tax changes) when it proved popular.

You can say that is the oppositions Job, but Labour's 'election budgets' and populist nonsense legislation show that Labour don't feel any need to do what is best for the country either...

 

[Masterdog]

He isn't a world leader - quit deluding yourself. He hasn't led anything, and in things where he should have been leading, he has failed to do so (Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy etc).

Brown's lack of attention to Ireland has undone so much of Tony Blair's (and his cabinet's) good work.

Gordon Brown is a ditherer and a bad international politician.

He didn't lead on the economy? This article, written by an American Nobel-prize winning economist, suggests different.
He didn't lead on Ireland? Well, no, but I'd argue that until recently the hands-off approach was probably best, something the Tories doesn't seem to understand.
On Iraq and Afghanistan we're doing more than most countries as part of a coalition. I want us to be a world leader as a country, and my biggest fear is that under the Tories we'll be sidelined in Europe and any influence we have will dissipate.

 

[britboy4321]

The last time this occurred (Oct 2008), Labour promptly stole the policy (inheritance tax changes) when it proved popular.

You can say that is the oppositions Job, but Labour's 'election budgets' and populist nonsense legislation show that Labour don't feel any need to do what is best for the country either...

So the conservatives, right now, are not doing 'what is best for the country' as per my previous post. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Dolph]

So the conservatives, right now, are not doing 'what is best for the country' as per my previous post. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, but only in that they are behaving the same as Labour, which is a position that makes sense when they have the opportunity to either pass the policy, or pass legislation to deliberately block it for the future, both of which they have shown willingness to do already.

 

[robgmun]

Its common knowledge. I could put up 300 links but I know how the game works .. let me write your response to the links for you

1) From the 'Guardian' eh? Well thats a really socialist paper
2) From the 'BBC'? May as well have linked 'communist worker'
3) From a neutral government report? Yea neutral I bet Biased
4) From anyone else non-governmental? Well they're lying
5) From anyone else governmental? Well they're biased
6) OMG you believe 'Politicstoday.com'? OMG you're a silly head
7) yea but this OTHER report from 'we_hate_peasents.com' completely contradicts what you say

etc. etc. yadda yadda ..


As I said, it's simply common knowledge. You prove to me David Cameron isn't a T1000 sent from the future by using links. I bet you can't. Bet I can destroy any source that says he is a human being not a cyborg. Go for it. it's whats called 'common knowledge', which if someone is prepared to ignore (like yourself on Brown on Zimbabwae even though the CONSERVATIVES couldn't think of anything bad to say about his actions), makes further discussion pointless.

That's just pathetic, by your reasoning i can post that Brown is a pedo and i wouldn't bother posting any links and claim it's common knowledge, but sorry,

you are wrong!

You have back it up, otherwise it's only your opinion based on nothing and we will not be able to treat what you say seriously. Simple as, currently we are generally amusing ourselves with you and you ilk as your level of debate is extremely low. Unless you can pick it up and actually debate properly then me and others here will only continue to see you as the Labour crackpot fanboy you seems to be.

 

[britboy4321]

I'm glad you've finally recognised your first ever 'conservative failing'. Don't worry, the 'our actual policies are a big secret but trust us they're good 'uns, now go vote for us' conservative spiel is concerning a lot of people.

I'm glad you at least recognise the problem now ..