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[steve-h]

Nope, it just appears your brain hasn't developed much

Yeah lets chuck a 13 year old KID into a 8 x 8 cell to rot for 5 years, that will benefit society when we release him all happy and reformed

wtf you mean your post wasn't sarcasm? LOL??

Why not just assassinate this lad? Would he be missed?

So simple, so cheap - job done.

 

[Azagoth]

sticking the kid in jail for 5-10 years isn't actually a cure, at best it's a pointless band-aid.

It'll teach the little **** that rape isn't all fun though!

 

[Maccy]

I feel generally shocked reading an article about this, very upsetting for the victim and her family.

 

[Tombstone]

And as I have already stated this is ONLY the case with a minority of the young offenders for such horrific and serious crimes, obviously if you want to significantly reduce such crimes it makes logical sense to go after the MAJORITY!

So out of curiosity, what would be an acceptable punishment for you...for those people who are in your defined "minority"? Those who werent messed up but still committed such a horrific crime?

 

[krooton]

It'll teach the little **** that rape isn't all fun though!

So you think that when he comes out he will have been completely rehabilitated?

It doesn't work that way. If you have grown up in some of the environments these kids do, witness the things that happen in their lives, you'd understand why they are so messed up, and that sticking them in jail will not magically fix it all.

 

[antijoke]

So you think that when he comes out he will have been completely rehabilitated?

It doesn't work that way. If you have grown up in some of the environments these kids do, witness the things that happen in their lives, you'd understand why they are so messed up, and that sticking them in jail will not magically fix it all.

So what should we do then? Just let them out again? Your view perplexes me.

Surely the answer is to lock them up and throw away the key? As well as the parents for raising said child?

 

[krooton]

Surely you know it's down to being under staffed, under funded and being covered in red tape?

Actually, the many of them are thick as pig-****.

 

[Tefal]

I'm thinking that there is more to this... How did he know who the boyfriend was? I know he used her phone, but I'd imagine she'd have the number of more than 1 man in there...

Boyfriend called her phone, then asked him (rapist) why he was answering his gf phone.

 

[This Side Up]

I hope people here realise when that kid is released, someone will probably "off" him. If left long enough, society will eventually sort out its own "bad apples".

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Bullet through the head.
Thrown in a ditch
Burned to stop disease
Buried.

Job's a good 'un.

May as well just mother him though, he's obviously had it hard. It's not his fault, etc, etc... *cough*

 

[antijoke]

I think we need a running man style gameshow for all these criminals.

 

[Vesta_Man]

So out of curiosity, what would be an acceptable punishment for you...for those people who are in your defined "minority"? Those who werent messed up but still committed such a horrific crime?

Then protecting the public from these people is going to be much harder as rehabilitating them will be very difficult indeed.
Personally I would question their mental state and have all the tests carried out to see if they are actually mentally sane. Well adjusted and loved children simply don't commit these sort of crimes or at very least it's extremely rare!

For the punishment of these extremely rare case's I don't really know, but one thing I'm sure about and that is that they should not be allowed back into society until it is deemed conclusively that they no longer pose a threat to society, which I fear in these case's could be never

 

[Gaygle]

Complete and utter nonsense

Have 3 back -

I said that, IMO, THIS has nothing to do with upbringing. As in this case. You would have noticed this if you weren't on the war path with anyone who thinks that 3 years for rape isn't a lenient sentence.

What, like kids who have been prostituted out by their own parents to a paedo ring, along with their younger sibling, only for both kids to develop serious issues and messed up sexual views?

As far as i can see, there is no evidence of him being prostituted out by his parents and being part of a prostitution ring.

And if you notice, i was referring to this case specifically, not others.

 

[antijoke]

Your first post was the one below.

Errr he was 13!
Of course he shouldn't be punished like an adult!
3 years in a youth offenders sounds about right, and having personally visited a high security youth offenders 'prison' their is a good chance they can turn him around in that time !

You now change your view to the one below.

For the punishment of these extremely rare case's I don't really know, but one thing I'm sure about and that is that they should not be allowed back into society until it is deemed conclusively that they no longer pose a threat to society, which I fear in these case's could be never

It's all very confusing.

Taking this case at face value that he had a comfortbale home life (as no mention of abuse is mentioned as it normally is when it is indeed the case). Do you still stand by your post?

 

[Azagoth]

I hope people here realise when that kid is released, someone will probably "off" him.

Pretty much counting on it, to be honest. The area where he's from, Cobridge, is one of the roughest places in Stoke-on-Trent (and Rich_L will no doubt confirm just how bad that means it is ).

 

[krooton]

Taking this case at face value that he had a comfortbale home life (as no mention of abuse is mentioned as it normally is when it is indeed the case). Do you still stand by your post?

It wouldn't surprise me if wasn't mentioned to beef up the media hype in all honesty.

 

[Vesta_Man]

Have 3 back -

I said that, IMO, THIS has nothing to do with upbringing. As in this case. You would have noticed this if you weren't on the war path with anyone who thinks that 3 years for rape isn't a lenient sentence.



As far as i can see, there is no evidence of him being prostituted out by his parents and being part of a prostitution ring.

And if you notice, i was referring to this case specifically, not others.

Your assuming that this has nothing to do with his upbringing yet all the research and stats from previous said crimes concluded that it is more than likely the case.
Of course we are both assuming, but my assumptions are backed up with evidence, stats and probability from the majority of thousands of similar case's.

ie my assumptions are based on majority evidence/stats yet yours is based on minority evidence/stats. Plus I am talking about crimes like this on a whole and not just this isolated case.

 

[antijoke]

It wouldn't surprise me if wasn't mentioned to beef up the media hype in all honesty.

Why? It would help beef it up as they can blame it on bad upbringing and how Child's Play/Saw etc was to blame, just like the case with the two boys.

 

[krooton]

As far as i can see, there is no evidence of him being prostituted out by his parents and being part of a prostitution ring.

And if you notice, i was referring to this case specifically, not others.

I was making a reference given that we don't have all the details regarding the kid's past.

I find it very hard to believe that someone with a decent lifestyle and upbringing could grow up to be a 13 year old rapist.

It's all well and good us sitting in our ivory towers dismissing other human beings for the atrocities they commit, but people never think about why people do such horrible things, and don't realise the terrible things that happen in other people's lives to drive them to do these things.

I would have been completely unaware had it not been for my gf working with such kids in SW london for the past year.

 

[Vesta_Man]

Taking this case at face value that he had a comfortbale home life (as no mention of abuse is mentioned as it normally is when it is indeed the case). Do you still stand by your post?

Evidence and decades of stats and previous crimes say we should ASSUME he came from a horrific upbringing / environment.
Their is significantly more evidence to assume this rather than the opposite!