To those who dislike UK "immigrants"

[Banzai_Joe]

I would be fascinated to see your 8000 year old family trees, you know from back when the UK became separated from Europe.

I mean if you don't have your family history back that far then it stands to reason your ancestors very likely moved here (heck they might have invaded the country).

Now I am proud to be British, but do you guys actually understand what that even means?

Even though you started the thread its still possible that you're trolling.
What a daft statement to make.
Does it mean we're all ethiopians? After all, isn't that where mankind allegedly came from?

As long as they work, pay taxes.....

I feel this way about it.

There's a difference between immigration and colonization.

I also think this to be accurate.

Did you really consider your opener before posting?

 

[SiHH]

Would you care if the UK became subject to Sharia Law?

That just made me shudder.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

I would be fascinated to see your 8000 year old family trees, you know from back when the UK became separated from Europe.

Do you realise how many wasps you disturbed with that stick.

 

['Wes]

Bit of a rant, like?

 

[Cyanide]

It's the system that gets to me more than the people. If you ever watch thing like UK Border Force on Sky you'd want to smash your tele with your keyboard -

"xxx was arrested by breaching his visa. He was released and told to report weekly while his travel back to his home country was arranged. He was never seen again"

And I don't quite understand why we've got so many asylum seekers, especially those that have hopped over from France. They're supposed to go to the first safe country. There are dozens of safe countries they pass through before reaching the UK.

/rant

 

[Dolph]

Would you care if the UK became subject to Sharia Law?

Is there any realistic chance of this actually occurring?

Sure there is a vocal minority among Muslims who would like it to happen, but there are vocal minorities within the UK population who would like us to become communists, anarchists, socialists or true freemarketers, who want to base our laws on skin colour or who want to return to the gold standard. The only thing is that people are currently paying undue attention to the muslim minorities (Just as they did the communist minorities during the cold war) and giving them airtime as the latest 'threat to Britain'.

That doesn't mean it is in any way that any of them are actually likely to happen.

 

[Spie]

Is there any realistic chance of this actually occurring?

I hope not, but then again most people would not have predicted mass immigration on this scale 20 years ago. There are risks. How big they are only time will tell.

 

[Kutter]

When you spend 1000,s of pounds to do immigration legally then your wife has no recourse to public funds then after 2 years you have to spend even more money and she has to sit an english test, even though she,s american and speaks english.

And yet if you come here illegally the world is your oyster. The amount of times ive nearly thrown my remote through my tv watching uk border patrol.

Yes i sometimes despair at immigration in the uk

 

[wozencl]

Is there any realistic chance of this actually occurring?

Definitely not on a countrywide basis, however, haven't Sharia courts been established to deal with divorces and similar cases already? I think the establishment of separate court systems is counter-productive as it re-inforces divisions in society - after all as UK citizens we should all be subject to the same British/European rules and laws regardless of race, skin colour, sexual orientation or religious belief. Making exceptions to this simply creates feelings or the perception of "special" treatment.

 

[Wryel]

Definitely not on a countrywide basis, however, haven't Sharia courts been established to deal with divorces and similar cases already? I think the establishment of separate court systems is counter-productive as it re-inforces divisions in society - after all as UK citizens we should all be subject to the same British/European rules and laws regardless of race, skin colour, sexual orientation or religious belief. Making exceptions to this simply creates feelings or the perception of "special" treatment.

I agree. I don't think I could move to India or the Pakistan (for example) and expect them to make exceptions for me. Its their way or the highway everywhere else.

 

[Dolph]

Definitely not on a countrywide basis, however, haven't Sharia courts been established to deal with divorces and similar cases already? I think the establishment of separate court systems is counter-productive as it re-inforces divisions in society - after all as UK citizens we should all be subject to the same British/European rules and laws regardless of race, skin colour, sexual orientation or religious belief. Making exceptions to this simply creates feelings or the perception of "special" treatment.

Sharia courts are simply arbitration, and as the Beth Din has shown, this is not an issue.

Indeed, any group, with any biases, can conduct binding arbitration if both parties agree and the rationale is understood upfront.

Saying this creates something special ignores the fact that this has been in place for decades for other groups without any negative effects.

 

[TinkerBell]

It's the system that gets to me more than the people. If you ever watch thing like UK Border Force on Sky you'd want to smash your tele with your keyboard -

"xxx was arrested by breaching his visa. He was released and told to report weekly while his travel back to his home country was arranged. He was never seen again"

And I don't quite understand why we've got so many asylum seekers, especially those that have hopped over from France. They're supposed to go to the first safe country. There are dozens of safe countries they pass through before reaching the UK.

This is what annoys me, when they are caught not doing it legally and then they bloody let them go. If they have been working here for 4 years plus without a working permit then why the hell would they stop now just because they have been caught?!?!?!

 

[wozencl]

Sharia courts are simply arbitration, and as the Beth Din has shown, this is not an issue.

Indeed, any group, with any biases, can conduct binding arbitration if both parties agree and the rationale is understood upfront.

Saying this creates something special ignores the fact that this has been in place for decades for other groups without any negative effects.

I understand the both Sharia courts and Beth Din at present only deal with arbitration of financial and family matters and this is not something I find that troubling. My concern is members of communities may feel obligated to deal with their matter within the community using their respective court or arbitration system, a system which could be heavily based on religion and biased to one particular group. Admittedly I'm not very familiar with judgements passed by Sharia courts but I would guess that any court based on religious principles is going to contain aspects that disadvantage certain parts the community. Are women and homosexuals viewed on equal terms as heterosexual men in such systems? As I understand it the British legal system is, or at least should be, blind to such differences and I sincerely hope, but at present am not sure, the same is true of Sharia and Beth Din.

 

[Ant C]

Would you care if the UK became subject to Sharia Law?

This is just far right propaganda designed to whip up prejudice - I wonder what your agenda is here?

 

[Angilion]

There's a difference between immigration and colonization.

I think that's the key point expressed very well.

Immigrants change themselves to match the country.

Colonists change part of the country to match themselves. If they cumulatively change enough, it's conquest.

 

[ryder]

Mass selective household water poisoning = problem solved.

 

[Angilion]

This is just far right propaganda designed to whip up prejudice - I wonder what your agenda is here?

Are you really unaware that a growing number of people advocate that sharia law replace existing law here?

Are you really unaware that it has happened in other countries?

What makes you think that it's impossible for it to happen here?

You're using your own propaganda to promote your own agenda. Is your agenda the imposition of sharia law? That would fit.

 

[Spie]

This is just far right propaganda designed to whip up prejudice - I wonder what your agenda is here?

What? It is clear YOU have an agenda by posting such a response.

 

[TipTop]

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[robgmun]

I have no problem with economic migrants as they contribute to the UK and pay taxes etc. Some of them bring in skills that chavs don't have and work harder in most cases.

The issue i have is ayslum seekers, most of them are bogus and just looking for a free handout