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Thanks Danny_75! 
that was a most subjective and detailed post, I have no doubt in my mind from the overwhelming evidence you provided we can all just never buy an AMD® processor again!
If you think that AMD® spec in the opening post is a "Donkey" then your some serious power-user!
that was a most subjective and detailed post, I have no doubt in my mind from the overwhelming evidence you provided we can all just never buy an AMD® processor again!
If you think that AMD® spec in the opening post is a "Donkey" then your some serious power-user!
I say what i see.
I was like you once AMD to the bone.
If you have a tight budget yes AMD. If you want out and out speed intel it is.
Anyway thats what i think.take it or leave it
Edit: I have seen this topic all over the net. You will never move someone from Intel or AMD till they see for them selfs. ppl look at there pockets and spend to suit. If we all had 10k to spend we would all have 975s with 12 gigs of ram and a few 5970s or 295s. But please lets not start or ATI or Nvid we will be here all night.
I was like you once AMD to the bone.
If you have a tight budget yes AMD. If you want out and out speed intel it is.
Anyway thats what i think.take it or leave it
Edit: I have seen this topic all over the net. You will never move someone from Intel or AMD till they see for them selfs. ppl look at there pockets and spend to suit. If we all had 10k to spend we would all have 975s with 12 gigs of ram and a few 5970s or 295s. But please lets not start or ATI or Nvid
we will be here all night.
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If you think that AMD® spec in the opening post is a "Donkey" then your some serious power-user!
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They seem to be using loads of "Donkeys" in Roadrunner,Kraken XT5,Jugene and Jaguar!
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Anyway thats what i think.take it or leave it
K thanks . . I think I'll leave it but have a great weekend anyway!
I am Wayne to the bone!
. . . I use any hardware I can afford and that interests me, been using an Intel® rig the past three years and been on AMD® AM2+ two months! . . . I can't help it if I'm passionate about the AMD® Athlon™ II . . . It's super affordable and damn quick, what's not to like?
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Hope you have a great weekend too!
No. ] i7 is the same price as I have quoted. What you paid for AMD .But i7 destroys any AMD chip currently on sale.
i5 750 beats that AMD chip you bought..It poops all over it.
No.Its faster than athlon II X4 in games and beats Q6600 in benchies
No, Its behind i5 750 in speed. Its overpriced for what it is.
My passion is to buy the best hardware for the money.
Clinical, without emotion and no cherry topped fluff,
Yes. You have made a mistake.
Reason being you have a slower PC for the money you paid.
This cannot be argued. FACT. More PC for less money in i5 750..FACT
You have. At 500 INTEL i5/i7 is the PC you buy. FACT
Out of interest easyrider what should have i bought, and also whats your spec out of curiosity
I have already posted a mobo combo that gives you better performance for less.
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Can we actually consider killing this thread?
This is seriously becoming a slagging match, with no real composition/relation to the op's original point.
I like the thought you make Wayne, but you may get more constructive debate if it wasnt specificly aimed at comaring a low end AMD to high end Intel, and questioning what people really need.
From all previous posts, there is very much "incomplete arguements" from either part, swaying far from your original point, and several benchmarks that at least I have seen, taken from other sources are incomplete, and hence inconclusive in their findings.
What I also think would be a good arguement, is how much do you have/how often do you want to upgrade?
I mean, say you can save £5 a week, so say every 4 years you could save yourself enough to buy an i7 rig(1k all in say), which would be ~ top-end of the range at the time, but in 3-4 years nearing your next upgrade it wont.
Hence, do you go with a mid range system, such as a Phenom or i5, and then upgrade every 1-3 years?
You should see more return back from selling your old gear, which should help improve your rebuilds, and your rig would be more up to date on average.
Thats my 2p anyhow.
This is seriously becoming a slagging match, with no real composition/relation to the op's original point.
I like the thought you make Wayne, but you may get more constructive debate if it wasnt specificly aimed at comaring a low end AMD to high end Intel, and questioning what people really need.
From all previous posts, there is very much "incomplete arguements" from either part, swaying far from your original point, and several benchmarks that at least I have seen, taken from other sources are incomplete, and hence inconclusive in their findings.
What I also think would be a good arguement, is how much do you have/how often do you want to upgrade?
I mean, say you can save £5 a week, so say every 4 years you could save yourself enough to buy an i7 rig(1k all in say), which would be ~ top-end of the range at the time, but in 3-4 years nearing your next upgrade it wont.
Hence, do you go with a mid range system, such as a Phenom or i5, and then upgrade every 1-3 years?
You should see more return back from selling your old gear, which should help improve your rebuilds, and your rig would be more up to date on average.
Thats my 2p anyhow.
In my experience Dons are impartial,
Allowing people to breathe and create meaning,
You do neither
Its one sided, boring, you use "assumption" to often and you selectively quote.
Your post's are overlong and you repeat yourself all the time.
And you lack self esteem.
The latter is not an attack. Its an observation.
You call me the Black Troll?
All i do is post FACT with meaning and passion.But when you run out of ideas...you ask the people in the thread to ignore me.
Then 3 pages later after asking people to ignore and not quote me...(as i am destroying you arguement on every level) you then decide its ok to quote me again.
Tell me?
What is your true motive?
Hello DireEmblem,
sorry you feel that way but thanks for your thoughts and have a good weekend!
Hello DireEmblem,
sorry you feel that way but thanks for your thoughts and have a good weekend!
Happy now?
I wish to thank Big.Wayne as of today im running my new AMD system and i couldnt be happier. The last amd system i had was a socket 939 then i went to my awesome intel dual core and now this
Heres my full spec:
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz
Asus Crosshair III Formula
Corsair Dominator XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 16000C9D
Less money gets him a faster PC in i5 750 and 30 quid more gets him i7
Big wayne you are full of ****
Congrats on giving BS advice on upgrades
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Easy, are you seriously trying to take the **** here?
The op's opening point for discussion was
The only biased part I can possible see on the OP's part, is that they specifically chose an AMD rig for the comparison, and imo to be truly un-biased in this debate, you would need to specify both an AMD/Intel rig for the same base price if you could, to compare the Premium/performance between both ends of the scale.
In answer to the question, do I think the I7 is worth the premium, well my answer would be "No", as I do not need, or require the level of performance it can achieve. An i5/Phenom rig would more than suffice my needs, gaming and otherwise, so as such if I were to upgrade soon, that would be the route I would choose.
I dont have a budget as such, but if I did, I wouldnt need to go top of the range I7, i would go i5/phenom, and use any savings on getting extra luxuries like an SSD to increase the OS response times, as that would be noticed more in general use, along with a decent monitor and other pheripherals.
With regards to your statement
There may be nothing wrong with your statements, but I feel they come over as somewhat ...unpolished/incomplete(struggling for the right word here, but I hope you know what i mean) ?
I'll try and explain that point here, you posted one benchmark from a site I believe on the game crysis, in which on that occasion favoured to your point, however there were several other benchmarks where again, either party prevailed, and on average, the reviews/comparisons I have read have placed them on a par or been undecided.
I think Wayne may make a decent Don on the forum, and this is the last point I shall be making on this thread.
The op's opening point for discussion was
The only biased part I can possible see on the OP's part, is that they specifically chose an AMD rig for the comparison, and imo to be truly un-biased in this debate, you would need to specify both an AMD/Intel rig for the same base price if you could, to compare the Premium/performance between both ends of the scale.
In answer to the question, do I think the I7 is worth the premium, well my answer would be "No", as I do not need, or require the level of performance it can achieve. An i5/Phenom rig would more than suffice my needs, gaming and otherwise, so as such if I were to upgrade soon, that would be the route I would choose.
I dont have a budget as such, but if I did, I wouldnt need to go top of the range I7, i would go i5/phenom, and use any savings on getting extra luxuries like an SSD to increase the OS response times, as that would be noticed more in general use, along with a decent monitor and other pheripherals.
With regards to your statement
, well I have to partually disagree with you on that one.
There may be nothing wrong with your statements, but I feel they come over as somewhat ...unpolished/incomplete(struggling for the right word here, but I hope you know what i mean) ?
I'll try and explain that point here, you posted one benchmark from a site I believe on the game crysis, in which on that occasion favoured to your point, however there were several other benchmarks where again, either party prevailed, and on average, the reviews/comparisons I have read have placed them on a par or been undecided.
I think Wayne may make a decent Don on the forum, and this is the last point I shall be making on this thread.
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Thats the point is it not?
Bakes0310 buys:
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £143.98
(£122.54) £143.98
(£122.54)
Asus Crosshair III Formula AMD 790FX (Socket AM3) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard Asus Crosshair III Formula AMD 790FX (Socket AM3) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard £143.98
(£122.54) £143.98
(£122.54)
Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMD4GX3M2A1600C8) Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMD4GX3M2A1600C8) £139.99
(£119.14) £139.99
(£119.14)
Total : £439.12
But for less he can get a faster PC in i5 750 and 30 quid more gets him i7
What were you saying again?
"An i5/Phenom rig would more than suffice my needs"
Yes I agree an i5 rig would be faster than any amd offering for less money.
Your point again?
Please tell me ?
Thanks
P.S DireEmblem are you seriously trying to take the **** here?
See the errors in your BS post?
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Hello easyrider,
what is my true motive? . . . what you mean like my life’s desires or my motive towards this thread or what? . . . sorry I'm not sure what you mean?
With regards to these forums, my motive or intentions would be to *unite* all overclockers together, no more fan boy stuff, no more unnecessary arguments, just pure subjective analyses and proven facts, in house!
At the moment you have been out the hardware scene for quite some time, I remember you from back in 2006-2007 producing some good results but then you went off to become a home-cinema buff?
The other problem is the way you deal facts which you expect us all to believe but there is no subjective analyses, we need proof and lots of it, you can't expect people to take you seriously otherwise, it's just not going to happen . . .
The biggest issue I have with you personally is your method of conversing, you come across as extremely rude and your debating method is frowned upon by logical thinkers . . what you do is another logical fallacy, specifically Argumentum ad hominem
"This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater
e.g, "The creator of this thread is a complete fan boy! . . . don't listen to him" or "What the **** you have 20 posts, don't talk guff and your post reeks of BS"
This will just not do, it is not polite, it is not intelligent and it serves only to upset people and derail what is meant to be a technical thread. I'm not sure if your aware or not but your posts can be quite offensive/upsetting?
Did you know that when someone becomes emotional their I.Q drops and they are prone to entering a flaming war? . . . is this what you want because I can tell you this is not what I want or a lot of other people want? . . .this is the reason I have asked people to avoid you in this thread because your attacking it with a logical fallacy . . . how can you know what's best? . . . have you used either bits of hardware? or have you ammased an overwhelming amount of data based on web-reviews?, seriously how come you know what is right and what is wrong? . . . where is the evidence we need to see?
I am trying to bring peace here, like I said I don't want beef with anyone I just want to learn, I'm not sure why you feel so threatened by me or what I have done to **** you off so much!
I'm just contributing in the way I know how, I made lots of friends here and learnt a lot of cool stuff . . . cmon you big jesse lets have a beer
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With regards to these forums, my motive or intentions would be to *unite* all overclockers together, no more fan boy stuff, no more unnecessary arguments, just pure subjective analyses and proven facts, in house!
I wish to thank Big.Wayne as of today im running my new AMD system and i couldnt be happier. The last amd system i had was a socket 939 then i went to my awesome intel dual core and now this
Heres my full spec:
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz
Asus Crosshair III Formula
Corsair Dominator XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 16000C9D
That cost him £439.12 and he thanks you?
Both myself and you know that spending less in i5 750 gets him more bang for buck.
30 quid more gets him i7
You are a menace, fabricating false performance in your chosen PC parts
Bad numbers are bad...
Misleading words are worse...
-You've picked the wrong ram
-Chosen the entry level i7 board vs the top of the line AM3 board
In reality it shows up more like this...
Bakes0310's setup
+£55
Gets a similar i5 setup
+£95
Gets a similar i7 setup (which does have an extra 2gb ram)
So...for an extra £150 Bakes0310 could have had a similar i7 setup.
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