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The [[Offical]] ATI vs NVIDIA thread
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Will find out, cheers kylew,
ive had both ati and nvidia card's in the past and my loyalty is not with either.
if the price is good and the performance is good then ill buy it.
im not a heavy user in the graphics card market,if either does what i want it to then it's all good.
i wont go for a card because people say "you have got to get that card !".
i have never benchmarked a card either as personally i don't need to if it plays what i want it to.
that's my 2p worth.
if the price is good and the performance is good then ill buy it.
im not a heavy user in the graphics card market,if either does what i want it to then it's all good.
i wont go for a card because people say "you have got to get that card !".
i have never benchmarked a card either as personally i don't need to if it plays what i want it to.
that's my 2p worth.
That's true, too many people are caught up in the 3D mark war.
"ZOMG MY *BRAND* CARD GETS MOAR FPS THEN YUOR *BRAND* CARD IN 3D MARK!"
"What FPS do you get in games?"
"Whut?
"
p)
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From an outside perspective (first time getting into serious PC gaming) I chose ATI, I'm not a fanboy of either and while I like the idea of physx (very tempting) I prefer cool running, energy efficient cards that do there job with no nonsense. I'm not swinging either way and just getting what is the best out and at the moment ATI owns nvidia on price and performance. Nvidia does have fermi coming out though and I understand that.
I don't see how either can be faulted though.
ATI = lower price, much better DX11 range (they had cards out much earlier and will release more later so have a big edge on price and range), good performance generally.
Nvidia = feature rich (3d vision support, DX11 coming, physx and Cuda), generally has highest perfoming cards.
Go for which you prefer, not which has a good name.
I don't see how either can be faulted though.
ATI = lower price, much better DX11 range (they had cards out much earlier and will release more later so have a big edge on price and range), good performance generally.
Nvidia = feature rich (3d vision support, DX11 coming, physx and Cuda), generally has highest perfoming cards.
Go for which you prefer, not which has a good name.
I've got one for AMD cards: on board audio controller, supported since the 2000 series of cards, most recently they can process 7.1 audio in these formats:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk.../Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5670-specifications.aspx
The closest equivalent on Nvidia systems is hooking the card up to a separate sound processor via pin headers I believe.
Although capabilities depend on the series of card.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk.../Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5670-specifications.aspx
The closest equivalent on Nvidia systems is hooking the card up to a separate sound processor via pin headers I believe.
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+1. I buy the cards that offer great performance at a good price. Which it always seem's ATI. Although, it just comes down to personal preference. Fan boys just deserve a kick in the teeth!
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Are not one of the "impartial" speakers a shareholder of one of the said party's ?
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I know this is SLIGHTLY petty, but am I the only one seeing the irony in the above? I wouldn't call that fine
More seriously please add the HDMI audio capabilities for AMD. For Home theater owners, this is a massive boon, if you play around with your system in question, you can often almost completely circumvent the need for an actual soundcard or onboard sound in the system, except for mic usage, and being PCM, quality is dependant on your decoder, which is almost always higher quality than those in your average onboard/cheap soundcard!
Nvidia have a more active developer relations teams, which sometimes means they have a lead in interacting with games, and developing driver support for new titles, which could be seen as a bonus. That said ATI seems a bit better at that these days too, but by and large this could be considered an Nvidia win.
Contrary to Stulid, I had a 4870, owned it for about a year and a half, was absolutely fine with it and very happy, and its now running happy days in one of my mates rigs. Current system is as below, and my card before the 4870 was an 8800GTS 512, which followed an X1900XT. Can't exactly say Im utterly biased based on that!
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When I built a PC 5 years ago, I put two 7800GTX's in, as Sli was all the rage at the time, a decision I have regretted ever since. The driver support (at the time) was flaky at best and restricts you to using one monitor.
I have recently built my new PC and moved over to a single Vapor-X 5770 and it is a great card, fast, relatively cheap, HDMI audio support and quiet to boot. However the driver support from ATi isn't great, I have HDTV issues (maybe solved with 10.1) as well as other issues, and overall I find the catalyst interface "clunkier" than nvidia's.
I disregard Eyefinity, 3D vision, Physx etc. as argument quantifiers as both companies will have these features like this in the future and they are all a bit superfluous to the main features and only used by a minority of people.
To sum it up I think this argument should be settled with driver support, as at the end of the day, both companies have made winning hardware in the past and as 3rd party vendors provide RMA and packaging etc. Driver support is the pivotal decider in my opinion.
I think that on the whole, nvidia tends to have slightly better support for their devices and consistantly release updates giving boosts to games released (I realise they fund a lot of these games, but I don't see this as a bad thing) and their cards are generally released with good driver support. The recent HD5000 Ati range (whilst being great hardware) was released without adequate driver support.
Sorry for the long post, but my $0.02
No-one has mentioned Intel yet, they have over 50% of the graphics market share!
I have recently built my new PC and moved over to a single Vapor-X 5770 and it is a great card, fast, relatively cheap, HDMI audio support and quiet to boot. However the driver support from ATi isn't great, I have HDTV issues (maybe solved with 10.1) as well as other issues, and overall I find the catalyst interface "clunkier" than nvidia's.
I disregard Eyefinity, 3D vision, Physx etc. as argument quantifiers as both companies will have these features like this in the future and they are all a bit superfluous to the main features and only used by a minority of people.
To sum it up I think this argument should be settled with driver support, as at the end of the day, both companies have made winning hardware in the past and as 3rd party vendors provide RMA and packaging etc. Driver support is the pivotal decider in my opinion.
I think that on the whole, nvidia tends to have slightly better support for their devices and consistantly release updates giving boosts to games released (I realise they fund a lot of these games, but I don't see this as a bad thing) and their cards are generally released with good driver support. The recent HD5000 Ati range (whilst being great hardware) was released without adequate driver support.
Sorry for the long post, but my $0.02
No-one has mentioned Intel yet, they have over 50% of the graphics market share!
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I have a lot of respect for both companies.
Right now I have nvidia cards because I wanted the most powerful single gpu solution for a three card set up and that was the gtx 280 at the time.
Also nvidia have a setting called max pre-rendered frames and can be set to 0 that helps a lot in some games to reduce controller lag which i hate more then anything. I dont know of the ATI equivalent setting but its not in their control panel these days.
I have had loads of cards from both companies, it all depends on which is the best at the time and what price. I remember getting a fx 5900 and replacing it with a 9600pro which was way ahead in directx 9. Right now i prefer nvidia but have fond memories of ati's 9800pro when i got that and flashed it to xt. my last ati card was 3870x2 because some people were saying it was faster then the 8800 ultra which i also had, it could get higher fps with all the aa off but micro stutter was horrible. its always interesting getting a new card and seing how it will do, definately cant take sides at all.
The only thing i wont do is get a multi gpu card, might have to give it more thought though. A long time ago you could really see a huge difference from video card to video card when they were slower and games were ahead.
now theres no real point about arguing which company is better because video cards come out a lot more and there is more of a range. they just change a price and fill a gap so its more likely that you get what you pay for relatively.
Right now I have nvidia cards because I wanted the most powerful single gpu solution for a three card set up and that was the gtx 280 at the time.
Also nvidia have a setting called max pre-rendered frames and can be set to 0 that helps a lot in some games to reduce controller lag which i hate more then anything. I dont know of the ATI equivalent setting but its not in their control panel these days.
I have had loads of cards from both companies, it all depends on which is the best at the time and what price. I remember getting a fx 5900 and replacing it with a 9600pro which was way ahead in directx 9. Right now i prefer nvidia but have fond memories of ati's 9800pro when i got that and flashed it to xt. my last ati card was 3870x2 because some people were saying it was faster then the 8800 ultra which i also had, it could get higher fps with all the aa off but micro stutter was horrible. its always interesting getting a new card and seing how it will do, definately cant take sides at all.
The only thing i wont do is get a multi gpu card, might have to give it more thought though. A long time ago you could really see a huge difference from video card to video card when they were slower and games were ahead.
now theres no real point about arguing which company is better because video cards come out a lot more and there is more of a range. they just change a price and fill a gap so its more likely that you get what you pay for relatively.
I wasn't going to get involved in this thread. But your having a laugh? drunkenmaster is probably even more anti nVidia than kylew.
I'm not really interested in which one is better or has what features. nVidia does what I need ATI doesn't. AMD might but they are a long way from shaking off ATI's mantle.
I prefer nVidia but anyone who thinks I go around promoting them at the expense of AMD is misguided. I would certaintly not be reccomending either if there was a decent 3rd player.
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Have a heart - fan boys deserve treatment rather than punishment ....
Oh, I buy whatever I fancy at the time ... I was bored with the GTX260 so I got a second one then I fancied a real upgrade and got what I got now
(before the 260 was a 8800GTX and before that an X1900XT so there ya go!). Main gripe I have with ATI is driver/software related : the overdrive limits which I get around anyway but I'd rather they let me decide how far to push it ... and the fact that I can't get digital sound to work on my 4650 whereas the 9400GT is perfectly fine. Overall though for some reason I prefer the Nvidia interface - dunno why really tbh, maybe I like green better
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Only from a moral perspective relating to the poor behaviour of Nvidia. The world would be a better place if more people shared that trait.
